what about the drag changes? that make the 29 bleed speeds almost like a delta wing plane
I don’t know, I’ve shared all the news so far. We must wait and see.
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It has never been designated that way
I hope the 9-15 will also be in the tech tree, as it is both the best MiG-29 that isn’t a MiG-35 or a modern MiG-29K and is also the aircraft that would have been the backbone of the Soviet Airforce had the USSR not collapsed.
It could very well be, together whit the su27sm, the top fighter the USSR tree will get, since I don’t think Gaijin will start introducing 5th gens and extremely modernized 4++ gen whose performance would be complete fantasy as everything about them is classified.
you underestimate gaijin
Excluding the 9-12 Soviet Air Force (carried out modifications of the rocket for large-scale production)- but not the plane…what is not taken into account in the game…https://forum.warthunder.com/t/german-mig-29-r-27er-for-r-73/22275/20
I guess “mid” MiG-29 might be MiG-29SM (9-13SM) & MiG-29SMT (9-17)
I expect next month dev consider add R-73 & R-73E on MiG-29A (9-12A) (DDR) & MiG-29 (9-13) (USSR and could be 12.0 or 12.3 but remove R-27ER/R-27ER1
the ER1 should be removed germany never had it
It should stay as Germany should not be made inferior to Soviets just cause real-life Germany didn’t have a weapon for their vehicle.
they never had it, give them german planes with the removal of 27ER1 instead
There are no German planes. There’s Mig-29A & G 9.12, F-4F, and Eurofighter Typhoon. None are German, and only the Mig-29A can be 12.0, the rest are higher BRs.
It doesn’t matter if they never had it IRL, the jet can still use it until proven otherwise.
it was shown somewhere that R-27ER was not even compatible with export 9.12s electronics, i wont go looking for it but they could not use it.
I don’t see why it wouldn’t be compatible, I haven’t seen this source.
I might be wrong, I’m just telling what I saw. I really have 0 real knowledge about this stuff other than what I read here and online, I do not read manuals or 1st sources because I don’t even know where to find them lol.
İ’m sure it was on this forum or Reddit, but I have no clue how to find it. İ remember it was recent though.
Doesn’t change the fact that I hate copy paste, and how Germans got the best version of MİG-29.
Do you know if the export variants are supposed to be worse? Online sources (not sure if they are true stuff like Wikipedia) all claim that export versions of R-27 should have lower range. Are they correct?
The 9.12a’s computer wouldn’t recognize the missiles as r27er/et. It would recognize them as regular r27r/t because there aren’t entries for er/et in the flight computer. It could theoretically fire the missile still though and 100% could with a software update. The pylons and electronics are the same between r/er and t/et. Germany never used the r23t, r24t, r27t, aim9j either, thats simply not a standard gaijin has ever held.
AIM-9J was used on F-4F, R-24T may have been used on MiG-23ML/A. It is simply lack of documentation and the fact that they hid these things from prying eyes in the West that people have the notion that the East-Germans didn’t have these things. It was also shown they had the MLA and not just ML variants of the Flogger as well as R-24 pylons. No reason they could not use the “T” variants.
Aim9j was only used during training in the u.s. not in German service. As far as the r24t being used, that’s news to me because I’ve never even seen a manifest for them accepting the missiles. I have seen a manifest of the Mig29 and r73 being accepted though.
There’s no other reason for them to have included it in the FCS either and they didn’t state that they had MLA either… that was discovered after observing serials and hardware that indicated the upgrade took place.
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All exported MLs were 23-12As (MLAs) the only 23-12s (real MLs) were USSR only and never exported, MLA is just a unofficial designation and MLAs in service were still called MLs
though I do believe germany never purchases the R-24 but I do not think it matters since the plane was compatible and MLA was and still is more competitive with them