Regardless the normal R is actually very good. Way better than the 7M
Almost like when it’s used for balancing decisions… I don’t see the MLD with R-73s.
There are plenty of aircraft either missing munitions or using munitions their host nation never even bought for the sake of balance.
I am all for a reasonable argument but at the end of the day, WT is a game, not a true to life simulation. I understand there is a bias in that you want to have something powerful and no one else but even a child can realise why that is wrong.
You could give the MLD the R-73s and move it up, would be better for everyone as well.
I would rather they add the MLDG with HMS and R-73s and keep the MLD at 11.3
Yes i wait the mitsubishi f2. Intresting the blk50 and barak2 blk40 come to live servers and the f2 (modded blk40) is not.
And when anyone fly at low alt the r27er go trash. + the migs radar get some nerf and gone very nochable
The MLD is unique to the ML, MLA. They could add the MLA to the Russian tech tree and move the MLD to 11.7-12.0 with R-73. No reason it should be hindered so and not given the ability to properly utilize the additional AoA.
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If they add “MLA” (unofficial name) to the tech tree, premium ML will be supposed to lose its R-24, as currently ML’s radar has to be changed to Sapphire-23mla or lose R-24. Better variant to add MiG-23P in tt. And if MLD is moved in br it also could receive R-24RM.
Only this
Datamine shows MiG-29SMT is getting RD-33 Series 3 with improved fuel consumption.
Also seems to show improved Oswald efficiency for flaps on all MiG-29s by a value of 0.01 which I guess may be the slight adjustment discussed before? @Giovanex05
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wow finally took them long enough
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AND PEOPLE WERE GOING CRAZY WHEN I SAID IF MIG-29G CAN GET SERIES 2 SMT SHOULD GET SERIES 3, COPE HARDER now ameriboos and teaboos. Finally thank god. Thank you for telling us about the datamines O7
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Thats nice, where you finded the datamine? Im having some difficultes finding it right now would you mind sharing it?
are the changes live?
Spoiler
It may be the adjustment @_David_Bowie said but the report was done without the use of flaps, so it shouldn’t be it.
Also I don’t think they are using one Oswald efficiency number given that the Lift/Drag ratio of the MiG-29 (according to practical aerodynamics itself) differs quite a bit from what an ideal quadratic + constant equation, and wouldn’t be accurate at all for a simulation. Not to mention that the thing changes with speed.
On the left there’s practical aerodynamics Cd to Cl diagram and on the right there’s what Cd to Cl looks like when using only one Oswald value (indicated with W in the right chart, chose it so the 2 charts would match at Cd=0.1)
(for anyone wondering the function displayed on the right doesn’t look like a quadratic parabola because it is actually the inverse, since the chart in practical aerodynamics is Cd to Cl and not Cl to Cd like the equation you will find on wikipedia ( C_d = C_{d_0} \cdot \frac{Cl^2}{\pi \cdot e_0 \cdot AR} )
Edit: forgot to explain: the 2 functions look similar but, especially at higher values of Cd, differ quite substantially (Geogebra’s one achieves Cl = 1.3 at 0.28 Cd, Practical aerodynamics one achieves the same only at over 0.46 Cd (aka much worse drag))
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Not yet
I’m aware they’re not using one number, they have separate numbers for various things I think.
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Still 0.01 increase is always welcome, considering that Oswald number is not a large number 0.01 is more than it would seem (still not anything huge obviously)
The WWII fighter reference does not apply here, though.
The Piston Driven Propellor is a propulsion system that delivers very a low, gradual thrust and did so inconsistently, even more so at higher altitudes. As result of those limitation fighter aircraft of WWII were designed more with high stability, energy recovery and energy maintainability in mind (aka Gliding) and that is why fighters of WWII maintained the traditional straight-wing, tailed design as it is most optimal with only slight variations allowed.
There was very little to alter or develop in airfoil design other reducing weight of a fighter for maximum effect back then.
In modern aircraft, weight starts to become an ever-increasing irrelevancy as fighter aircraft now begin to possess a multitude of advancements in wing design and fuselage design that when combined massively increases lift as well as preventing stall well past the point of natural physics would allow in highest angles of attack.
Additionally, aircraft of the 4th generation begin to possess massive thrust to weight ratios and can quite literally go vertical in almost any conceivable combat scenario as long as your airspeed is not zero. The insane acceleration of these aircraft can immediately generate the vortices required to utilize the technologies above generate lift at high angles of attack quite easily and immediately.
if weight of 2000lbs makes a huge difference to the point where the SMT’s lift and efficiency to stay in the air coming out of any given maneuver at Mach .85 (plenty of energy to spare) and is severely limited as well as in alpha to the point you are quite literally blocked by an invisible limit even though you are min fuel clean against a Mig29G with more fuel and R73s…
Then surely weight should have a massive negative effect on the Xi’an JH-7A not having a single one of these technologies in 4th generation wing and fuselage design of the mig29 with a vastly inferior thrust to weight still able to generate more lift, higher angles of attack and sustain turns at those higher angles of attack for a longer period in a smaller turn radius over the SMT?
The JH-7A weighed 31,086lbs empty made up of composite materials.
The SMT is 26,6204 empty after upgrades.
Extra weight is extra weight regardless of wing design/engine power. Every extra kg requires extra lift. Whether GJN is able to properly model the aerodynamic effects of the SMT is a different matter though. The amount of simple stuff they get wrong leads me to believe there is probably other major mistakes in their physics engine.