It can be calculated using this approximate formula
Take the speed of 0.5M
X0=0.022*(1,1061168^2/2)38=13049N, Xi г.п We define it through Cyг.п =qS/mg=0.122 Cxi=0.001
Xi=0.001(1,1061168^2/2)*38=593N
P=14620 kgs=143422,2N
Ny=sqrt(146620-13049)/593.15=15G
WT’s MiG-21 model is completely in line with the IRL performance of the MiG-21
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Mig21 is a 7G aircraft max and will utterly lose control and die if pulled more. However, it can pull double in the magical world of WT at 14Gs. How do you figure? The F16 or Mig29 does not even pull double what it can IRL.
Are you talking about its characteristics? Sure I guess.
MiG-21 flies pretty much exactly as outlined in the manuals, same cannot be said for F-16 or MiG-29 where the F-16 is severely overperforming and MiG-29 is underperforming. The overload limitations are applied using the same standard for all aircraft unless otherwise specified in the manuals.
We spend hours collecting sources and materials. We do in-game testing and comparisons using primary sources and a multitude of studies… You refuse to speak because you actually have no basis for your claim.
If you have information pertaining to this, I’d love to see it.
The information I have states 8.5G maximum overload for MiG-21, which means the in-game maximum limit of 12G static (sustained) is actually a bit low. Should be increased to ~12.75
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This is an “opinion”, but it is also wrong and it is also misinformation… which I refuted with evidence because there was zero chance you were going to provide any (lest you prove yourself wrong).
Again, the rest of your statement has nothing to do with the thread. Your personal opinions of me or the erroneous and obviously incorrect statements about the aircraft are not relevant to the discussion. Let’s keep those to DM’s and other forms of media where they are more appropriate.
Its not technically wrong according to an egyptian 21bis manual max G over mach .8 is infact 7g however below that it is 8g (dunno why youre manual says 8.5g Ive never heard of a 21bis being 8.5g tho the MiG-23ML is 8.5g) anyways gaijan goes with the heighest max G which in this case is 8g which would come out at 12g in WT
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Im going to add onto this and say 8.5g appears in some secondary sources so its likely it could have been raised to 8.5g later in life at some point, either way the 7g figure seems to be just a misunderstanding of how the G limits change with speed
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Agreed, I also have a Mig21 pilot interview who owns the mig21 in his personal collection of fighter jets specifically speak on the manual and getting it translated stating 7Gs. it can be due to his variant. It was no Bis btw.
I will find the video.
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And likewise the standard is held on all aircraft in the game with the exception of the F-16 thus far and to my knowledge. Regardless, his nonsense is intentional bait and derailment.
F-16 G loads seem inline with the IRL 1.5x issue, the flight model’s issue is just ignoring its AoA limiter which if it did IRL would cause it to spin out, though this only affects sim and not air rb which instructor never pulls more than 22ish degrees AoA
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so regarding RB not much could be changed about the f16?
Until the properly model the FBW I would think.
Was more so related to how they’ve modeled the instability of the MiG-29 but none for the F-16, as such the F-16 maintains full control in situations it should not… Even in air RB. This is a double standard, as they’ve correctly modeled the Mirage 2000 and given it a proper temporary FM change while we wait for a improved instructor / FM that can handle unstable aircraft designs.
Which Ziggy claims;
The F-16 as mentioned, handles much higher AoA with no marks of instability. It’s unrealistic in comparison and not held to the same standards as other aircraft.
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Devs have acknowledged the issue and are working on a fix, I suspect it will be delayed until the next major due to the devblogs.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OLiLWCU6c4tU
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that’s fine, we waited for months we can wait a bit more
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You can do some wild things in every other aircraft with little loss of stability. Which reminds me. I miss doing crazy impossible maneuvers in the Draken and Kfir.
I’m going to play around in them in aerobatic custom. I miss them.
The other unstable aircraft (Mirage 2000) has realistic flight model and is actually slightly underperforming pending the improved FM / instructor… The opposite is true of the F-16.
15G seems excessive to me, where did you get the values for Xo?
Anyway, according to chart 6.14 at 400kph IAS (420kph TAS), 1000m altitude and 12470kg weight (1500kg fuel), the MiG-29 can sustain 3.1G Ny overload at 24 degrees AoA.
The fact that we know the AoA is very important because, thanks to the chart below, we know what the lift coefficient is. Unless I’ve understood the whole thing wrong (you, @Grimtax or anyone that can read Russian can enlighten me) the lift surface the Cy coefficient refers to is 38m^2.
If that is the case then we can calculate lift with the basic formula Lift=1/2 * V(m/s)^2 * ρ * S * Cl , which in our case would be Lift = 1/2 * (420/3.6)^2 * 1.112 * 38 * 1.43 = 411233N .
Dividing by weight and g (9.81) we get a value of 3.36, which is already 0.26 higher than indicated Ny value in 6.14 and does not include centripetal component of engine thrust.
In game thrust (which according to Gaijin is accurate) at 400kph IAS and 1000m is 13156Kg.
Taking the normal component for it with 13156 * sin(24deg) and dividing the result by the aircraft mass, we get 0.43G, which brings total calculated Ny to 3.79G, which is a FAR higher value than the 3.1 shown in 6.14.
