Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Fulcrum - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 1)

Sustained is very relevant, even in rb - it still can indicate better energy retention which is still one of the deciding factors as to who will come out on top, but just looking at the SEP=0 and max turn rate lines are not good enough to judge a fm. At least put 300,-300 & -600 lines as well cause then u can much more accurately judge the bleed/gain rates - i like to put ±150 too but it can look a bit cluttered. For instance with any mig29 u have ‘similar’ sustained to f16’s, however u will see that the bleed and gain rates are vastly worse (and are worse then every other 4th gen iirc), hence why the jet flies like ass compared to everything else.

Sorry if u already know all that, just i dont recall seeing anyone else even post them with the rest of the lines to more accurately judge it.

No probs, i always like to read structured explanations, one can’t know everything, right?


Here, i removed 9.19 so it won’t clutter the graph too much. Fuel load is the same at 30% (14.15 minutes for 9.15 and 8.26 minutes for 9.12)

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Might need to adjust the fuel down for the 9.15 as it’s empty weight should be a bit heavier than the 9.12 - not sure exactly what the 9.15 weight is modeled at rn tho - but just take the amount that it weight more than the 9.12 off the fuel load. As comparing them at the same weight is often the best way to see the raw fm differences between the two



here you go

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Eh.

Su-57 also suffers from same issue but at least it will have LDIRCM which will make it pretty much immune to Ir missiles.

MIG-35 dosesn’t tho. Sure it has EW on-board, but not in War Thunder. 14.3 with 36 flares gonna be rough

Thats the whole reason they keeping for future I believe.

At least thats what I thought before the addition of J-15T.

J-15T probably the “first swallow”. Gaijin will look at its performance, while working on EW to be added. We can probably expect it this summer

Or they will change the amount of CM’s instead of working EW Suite.

It will most likely recieve 96 regular CM’s in the close future.

Also an option. But in this case MiG-29K/35 could probably be modelled with 2-row pods from Egyptian MiG-29Ms. 72 countermeasures isn’t the best, but at least it is in a “workable” cathegory.

Most likely and I believe they will choose that route.

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Yeah, so u can see that 29M is slightly better at low speeds(~<500) with a little bit better energy gain up to ~800ias. But is currently basically worse at everything else barring max instantaneous turn, with worse bleed rates at every point and even worse 300 gain rate from ~800-1200 (though 9.15 is significantly much more stable at stall speeds which is a nice addition).

Naturally take it with a grain of salt till the dev server is finished as its basically still a smt fm underneath afaik without any beneficial lift changes of the airframe (in fact i think it actually just makes more drag currently lmao), only with more engine power and the stability increase - so its entirely possible for it to get more work done to it.

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Same here, i hope that this is for now just a half-baked FM and will be improved next week.

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Why is the turn so much worse than the other migs? That’s not what it was made of. Disappointed to see it perform way worse in dogfights even when the reports and manual prove different.

Its like the SMT but even worse on turns and maneuvering. Thats stupid when it was proven to be better than the first production variants. The 2 extra hardpoints and thrust is useless if you cant even fully utilize it like the other migs. At this point just grind the MiG-29N in japan.

I’ve been in this thread since the aircraft was added, so long time, made countless bug reports etc.

Sure it will never be meta, still it should be better than it currently is in the dev server, especially at low speed

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its 32

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its 64

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i had a brain seisure it seems, for some reason in my head 16+16 was 36 and not 32

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real lmao

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i like the fact that 9.41 can swap between tail hook and drag shute container, makes landing so much more efficient

yeah, also useful when your only carrier is in dry dock hell

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