And now that you’ve been proven even more wrong with not a single counter-argument but some youtube rando’s words, you’re calling me a troll?
Talk about accusatory inversion, I’m the one who brings historical examples like the 63rd Air Detachment’s overheat incident in Egypt and Belenko’s interrogation. There’s no need to cope like that.
My bad if some youtube hobbyist knows more than Foxbat pilots themselves, lol!
›sending sources is spoonfeeding info
Or how to say you don’t have anything to back up your claims.
Source is watch the video, hope this helps.
The amount of time you have spent arguing could have been spent watching the video and learning the truth instead of whatever you think you are achieving here
And yes it is spoonfeeding. Baby doesnt want to eat his food wants mommy to give him the little bits like an airplane is what you are doing but with not watching the video but asking me to pick it apart and give you what you want
Knowing that the Foxbat’s engines overheat at Mach +3 is literally the most basic information you ever need to know about this aircraft. Literally said by Belenko himself. If you have proof to the contrary, then post it. It’s as simple as that.
Hardware specifications often differ between the words of user pilots and manuals that pass through the eyes of a political echelon. This is something basic to know.
Basic info but cannot provide one not obviously flawed source, nice one mate
I sent it above, he literally said it after his defection.
Kind remind to debate the topic not the user and if you can’t do that it would be better to agree to disagree and leave each other alone !
The message disappeared but as i was writing:
It’s one of the jewels of our country’s air fleet, in historical terms. I doubt the person who mentioned the pilot talking to him about the overheating issue wants to make the vehicle look bad at all (and neither do I. In fact, I have a passion for soviet vehicles)
My point being that with the words of Belenko and what our countries pilots say, these statements just pretty much confirms that the engine has overheating issue, and that it’s not just an airframe issue.
I’m not here to bash Soviet equipment at all, but it must be said that we’ve already been pretty ripped off on some of their equipment in the past with their quality issues. Not always, but it happened.
I’d rather take the words of pilots themselves, than of some people who report things to political echelons (read: technical & theoretical manuals). And that is whatever the country it may be from.
yeah that’s fine !
I’ll gladly watch the video and I’ll confirm if kitten is lying or not (doubt it)… but this could’ve beeen avoided if u simply watched the video yourself
I watched the video, and I explained myself here:
It’s not about him lying or not. It’s about either taking the words of pilots who practice, or of people who have to cover up/hide technical defects for reports. I take the pilots’ words above all else. They’re in the machine, got thousands of flight hours, and have no reason to lie for political purposes. Even Belenko. They know best.
Lmao, pilots lie all the time. I’d rather take documentation over pilots word, especially since gaijin doesn’t accept pilots word as a source, only documents anyways. And that technical analysis agrees with what estrogen said so I’ll agree with her
If we did that, we’d still be flying the old Mig-29 airframes that were presented to us by Russia as brand new ones without ever knowing they were used before. Who saved us from this? The pilots and ground crews, who found very low quality parts and so on.
Hence on the contrary, the words of the pilots will always have more value than the documents that pass through the eyes of the political echelons. Belenko said what wasn’t disclosed in the manuals. The video he sent doesn’t contradict Belenko in any way, on the contrary, it proves that there is something fishy when you compare these beautiful paragraphs to the words of the pilots.
Gaijin can add the aircraft without an engine overheating mechanic, it’s fine and I don’t mind at this point. BUT This doesnt change the fact that, in real life, Soviet and Algerian pilots were/are facing an engine overheating above Mach 3.0.
We need to be careful with anecdotal evidence.
As much as I’d love to use it as finally some British aircraft might get the love they deserve (hello Lightning) it can also potentially give aircraft fantasy flight models.
Case in point we don’t want Ta-152’s accelerating like F-15’s because someone once said Kurt Tank managed to take off and leave two already airborne P-51’s in his dust.
That said I think anecdotal evidence from a neutral source or a test from a different country should be given more merit. Like when a British test pilot said the C.200 could absolutely turn inside of the Hurricane and according to a French pilot the Lightning flew like a Mirage but with two engines.
Right, except that my point was that it was not only backed by pilots from two different continents, but also by science, as in my initial comment.
The manuals mention maximum temperatures of 1300 degrees at the highest speeds. That’s only a few dozen degrees close to the boiling point (!) of this type of alloy used in Tumansky engines (and 300 degrees within loss of tensile strength and creep resistance of said alloy!). Needless to say that yes, Mach 3+ does make the engine of the Foxbat melt/heavily deforms it.
It’s an engine made of simple high temperature steels with very poor thermal resistance even by 60’s standards (watch as some people wont even question the 150-200 hours life-lenght of the R-15B series engines compared to the Soloviev D-30F6 [mig-31’s engine], which is actually made of a good alloy and has +1000 hours lifetime for almost the same amount of Machs achieved, nothing to do with the R-15 melting right?).
And once again, this overspeeding problem has been masked for the political level as a simple “loss in structure integrity” and “loosening of the rivets” (like seen in the “Practical Aerodynamics of the MiG-25RB” manual from N. Kotov) rather than the engine’s steel literally melting…
That’s why this YouTube video is just laughable, the claim that this engine made of simple high-temperature alloys can go at Mach +3 is science fiction.
So your believe is that, Belenko, pilot seeking political asylum in the united states, is less politically biased than the documentation used by the pilots to study and fly the plane? Do you think they had politicians reading the manual to make sure it made their planes look better than they actually are? This is nonsense fairytales, and this claim has no source. this single comment is enough to disregard anything you have said previously.
A technical document like that will be the closest thing to reality because it is used to teach the pilot how to best use their weapon, there is no use in political lies, when they make your pilots a less effective fighter.
I want to come back to the fact that unlike you Ka-bot has actual documentation and multiple pilot/designer taken up to 25 years after the fact that the plane was used (not your made up pilot, and biased Belenko). What political favor is gained by saying your jet that you made 25 years ago and is not even used anymore was better than it actually is? None.
And just for the cherry on top, here is a pilot interview (https://youtu.be/xiFkhr5ZHgU?si=O0H3Ly8rEdGILPwl) , more recent and of an Indian MiG-25 pilot. Can you believe it that under weaknesses he doesn’t say it overheating, even while flying whole flight in afterburner? And how he laughs as the comments saying it used to overheat, saying that it does not melt even at Mach 3 (directly contradicting Belenko).
Seems that when pilots are actually not biased and talking about their experience with MiG-25 they didn’t have an issue with overheating, just like the documentation says. Maybe its time for you to accept that you are simply in the wrong and that you are not smarter than the engineers themselves
1300 degrees deforms and melts the simple alloy from which the Tumansky R-15B engine is made. We are literally talking about a difference of a few dozen degrees from the boiling point.
It’s not by chance that the engine has a lifespan of only 150 hours…
Chernobyl is a perfect example that there was such a use for it (and later on, even though it wasnt the USSR, the MIG-29 scam that Russia carried out with Algeria).
We’re talking about the same industries that have hidden major flaws in order to avoid punishment for “embezzlement” or whatever, regardless of the consequences these lies have had. The case here is that they wrote that it absolutely wasn’t the 1300 degrees melting the steel alloy posing a threat to the pilot and the machine, but the “loosening of the rivets” and the “weakening of the structural integrity” of the aircraft.
No source no counterargument. Thank you.
Pilots disagree with you
“A few docen defrees from the boiling point”, do you know the difference between boiling and melting?