Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23ML - The Second Most Powerful MiG-23 in East Germany

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MiG-23ML
Adding maneuverability to the MiG-23
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MiG-23ML of the LSK

Background
Following the introduction of the MiG-23M, and related MF, it was realized that the aircraft needed to undergo many improvements. Back in the Soviet Union, design work had already begun on a considerable redesign of the aircraft.

From the MiG-23M, the redesign sought to address airframe stress, reliability, engine performance, maneuverability, and radar performance.
Firstly, to address stress and maneuverability issues, the airframe was lightened by 1,250kg by removing the number 4 fuel tank that was positioned around the engine. This change not only lightened the aircraft, but also shifted the center of gravity more towards the middle of the aircraft. A redesign of the landing gear, combined with the reduced weight, led the aircraft to sit differently on the ground; whereas the old versions were somewhat “nose high,” the new version was more parallel with the ground. Structural weakness of the aircraft, in particular the wing-sweep mechanism, were corrected. These changes allowed the aircraft a G-overload of 8.5G at slow speeds and 7.5G at higher speeds.
The engine was changed for a lighter, yet more powerful, Tumansky R-35-300. Compared to the original R-29-300, the new engine allowed for an improved non-afterburning thrust of 83.82kN, and 128.08kN afterburning. This was a considerable improvement over the original engine, and the new aircraft had a TWR of 0.83, substantially better than the original MiG-23M/MF’s TWR of 0.77.
New avionics were installed under the S-23ML standard system suite. Included were the Sapfir-23ML radar, TP-23M IRST, improved navigation, datalink, flight control and radar altimeter, and the SUV-2ML FCS. The SUV-2ML allowed the use of both types of R-23 at the same time, enabling the aircraft to carry one of each. The Sapfir-23ML was incapable of guiding the R-24R, however the SUV-2ML FCS allowed the use of the R-24T as it did not utilize radar guidance.
In theory much of the upgrades substantially improved the combat effectiveness of the MiG-23, and the new aircraft was known as the MiG-23ML. East Germany would end up operating 28 of the type, with an unknown number of those aircraft being late production models, otherwise known as the MiG-23MLA.



Flight of two GDR MiG-23s (one ML and one MLA) from the cockpit of another.

Specifications

General Information
Length 16.7m (54ft 8in)
Wingspan 13.97m (45ft 10in) spread 7.78m (25ft 6in) wing folded
Height 5m (16ft 5in)
Engine 1 x R-35-300 83.82kN non-afterburning
128.08kN afterburning
Empty Weight 10,230kg (22,487lbs)
Fuel Capacity ~6,875L (~1,816.183 US gal) Estimation, 5500kg of fuel
+ 3*820L Drop Tanks
Hardpoints - 4 + 3 2 under-wing & 2 under-fuselage + 2 Wing & 1 Centerline Tank Hardpoints
Ordnance
Ordnance
Internal
GSh-23L 200 23mm rounds
Air-to-Air
IR
R-3S Should be stock
R-13M
R-13M1
R-60(K)
R-60M(K)
R-23T
R-24T Can be omitted if necessary
Backwards compatible with older radars
Radar
R-23R No R-24, older radar could not guide it
Air-to-Ground
Bombs
FAB-100 (GP/Frag)
FAB-250 (GP/Frag/Parachute-Retarded)
FAB-500 (GP/Frag/Parachute-Retarded)
ZB-500 (Napalm)
RBK-500 (Cluster)
Rockets
S-5 FFAR
S-8 FFAR
S-24
Missile
Kh-23M
Other
Delta-NG Targeting Pod for Kh-23
UPK-23 Gunpod Twin 23mm
800L Tank Centerline and dedicated underwing only
Avionics
Radar RP-23ML “Sapfir-23ML”
Detection Range of 85km, Track Range of ~55km (high alt)
IRST TP-23M
RWR SPO-10M
HUD ASP-23D
CM PKWP-23 Dual use CM dispenser and fuel tank hardpoint
Various See below
Countermeasures

Regarding countermeasures, there are several countermeasure dispensers that were fitted on the MiG-23 series of fighters by various countries that would make the “semi-historical” cutoff. Already noted is the PKWP-23, which came standard for all MiG-23s, but I will make an additional note here.

PKWP-23:


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The MiG-23 series of aircraft could carry three drop tanks, one centerline and two under the wings. The PKWP-23 dispenser/pylon is a dual countermeasure dispenser and fuel tank pylon.
In theory, the MiG-23 should be able to receive 24 more large caliber countermeasures, if the under-wing tank pylons were PKWP-23s.

Second, the ASO-2:


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In Iraqi service, MiG-23MLs were “upgraded” with the ASO-2 countermeasure dispenser holding 32 rounds per dispenser, and with four dispensers. The ASO-2 is a lot smaller than the KDS-155 (BVP-50-60) dispenser but holds more countermeasures. They take up the same area on the aircraft, so it would not be possible to mount both.

Third, AN/ALE-40(?):

Indian Air Force MiG-23/27s were fitted with an AN/ALE-40 (I think) dispenser at some point. That would add an additional 90 countermeasures to the aircraft if added to the ML.

Lastly, the KDS-155, or BVP-50-60:

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These are the ones known to be fitted to Soviet MLDs and UBs, and also the ones that are currently present on the MiG-23MLA, and the Soviet MLD and modernized ML.

Any of these could make the semi-historical cutoff and be added to the MiG-23ML. Personally, I would want to see the ASO-2 dispensers, or the (potential) additional PKWP-23 dispensers.

Conclusion
I think the base MiG-23ML should be added to the tree at some point. It would provide a decent bridge between a potential MiG-23MF and/or the MiG-21 and the proper endgame MiG-23MLA. Should an MF never be added, then the ML could in theory take the place of the MF in the tree.

Overall, the ML should perform very similar to the MF, with the potential addition of R-24s. It solves most of the maneuverability issues the MF faces which would allow for an easier flight profile and general ease of use.

As for the countermeasures, my opinion is it should be fitted with the 3 PKWP-23 dispensers (assuming they can be fitted), or the ASO-2 dispensers. I think the KDS-155 should be reserved for the proper MiG-23MLA, but should it be added to the ML here, I think it would be best to allow a way to switch between the ASO-2 and KDS-155.
Regarding the missiles, I described it in my post on the R-13M, but the R-3S should be stock, on all pylons. The R-13M and R-60(K) should be the first modifications unlocked, ideally in one modification together, and then leaving room for the R-13M1 and R-60M(K), R-23s, and R-24s. Due to the Sapfir-23ML’s incompatibility with the R-24R, the aircraft cannot guide it. However, the R-24T could still be utilized by older radars as it did not need radar illumination to guide, and was supposedly designed to be backwards compatible.

One issue that would appear is that there would be no gap between the MF and ML, or ML and MLA (armament depending), which would leave one, the other, or both, with no real place.
There could be changes to fix this, like giving the MLA (and by proxy the MLD) the R-14 and R-24RM, as this could allow their BRs to be raised to “free up space” before them in the tree, thus keeping the MLA (MLD) as the “top-dog” of MiG-23s. However, these changes are outside the scope of this suggestion, and, importantly, do not pertain to the ML being suggested.

Post regarding the MiG-23MF:

Sources

Wikipedia - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23
Ru.Wikipedia - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23
Skytamer - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23ML
WeaponsandWarfare - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23ML
MikoyanMiG29 - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23ML
AcesFlyingHigh - Combat Jets of East Germany
SecretProjects - Sapfir-23
Ru.Wikipedia - R-23
Missilery - R-23
Missilery - R-24
SecretProjects - R-24 Guide PDFs
AereiMilitari - R-23
Ruslet - R-23/24

Edit - Clarification in conclusion, armament table removed (incorrect)

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+1 Germany really needs good premium jet, instead of RP Pinata IDS

I say it qould be ok as a premium, but with the su22 being a premium now, i dobut gaijin will add this unless one of the other german premiums gets removed (tornado pls, pls remove the premium tornado, i beg)

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very nice!
im interested to see the various upgrades and the CM options.
as for the R-14, idk if germans can even get it… despite my desire to have a REDFOR aim-9L

Yes but definitely no to R-14s. I already have a problem with the addition of R-13M1s, let alone a missile maybe produced in double digits and definitely never exported. And especially not on aircraft that already are suffering with terrible radars, then put up at a higher br, where they will struggle even more.
Now an MLD with R-73s and 24RMs could be interesting though.

Sorry guys, it was poorly formatted. I was not going for R-14s on the ML, and have changed the conclusion to (try) to reflect this. Imo ML should be limited to R-13M1 and R-60M(K)s. R-14 reserved for MLA/MLD, if added in the first place.

Their radars are (from basic descriptions I found) significantly underperforming. All MiG-23s have the same radar as modeled, but the Sapfir-23MLA/MLAE-II should be way better than the original Sapfir-23M in terms of radar range and detection.

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You’ve got a lot of things mixed up…
This is also the fault of the developers who adopted the Literary name MiG-23ML(A) for production, which S.Burdin introduced into use for quick identification in his book (although such a name was planned during the development period it was not officially adopted), you have a screenshot with weapons from this book (by the way, it says MiG-23ML/MLD/P and not MiG-23ML/MLA/P like yours)…
The developers also interpreted the MiG-23ML very loosely in the Soviet branch …
МиГ-23МЛА(ГДР)-Неправильный внешний вид ПВД…Неверное обозначение модификации…Часть 2 - Германия - Официальный форум

  1. In the USSR Air Force and in the DDR Air Force, the official name of the MiG-23ML… JG-9
    The registry…
    DDR MiG-23MLA.zip (131.8 KB)
  2. In the DDR Air Force, new-built aircraft since 1982 in the variant (MiG-23ML Export 23-12 Variant A) with the N-003E radar…The literary name of the MiG-23MLA…
  3. So far (2024) only 2 pieces have been found with the 324ML radar…
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I’m aware of the MLA’s supposed non-existence, however throughout most of the stuff I looked through MLA was used. It does help to differentiate the two “variants” of ML aircraft with both the -23ML radar and -23MLA radar. Additionally, it would be extremely confusing for the game to contain two aircraft both called MiG-23ML but being different. And combining them is also weird, see the actual premium MiG-23ML, although supposedly the MLA “features” all came from upgrades.
The way I interpreted it, the ML was the ones with the Sapfir-23ML radar and the MLA is the one with the -23MLA radar. This is supposed to represent an aircraft with the ML radar.
And thanks, I’ll correct the caption for the armaments. I mistranslated it.

  1. I’m not sure what you are trying to say, is it that it was or wasn’t called ML?
  2. Again, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
  3. Thank you, I will correct that. Although I was under the impression that the 324ML radar was a version of Sapfir-23ML. Is it actually 323ML?
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  1. I want to say that DDR had only MiG-23ML(A), if that’s clearer…but their official name in the DDR Air Force is MiG-23ML…
    2.The Sapphire-23 radar (izdelie 324ML) was found only on two aircraft (one on the territory of Ukraine, one on the territory of Belarus)…His exact characteristics are not known!
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МЛА-Н003

That’s both unfortunate and very confusing. Right about now I’m wishing for that standardized designation.
But they never operated the MiG-23ML (23-12)? Only 23-12A? I was under the impression they operated both, with the 300s- numbers being ML (23-12) and the 500s- numbers being MLA (23-12A).

I took out the 324ML radar, I believe it was used in Soviet aircraft of the air defense forces but not exported. It is very confusing though. Replaced it with 323ML instead, honestly might just take out the specific designation

  1. MiG-23ML (23-12) aircraft were produced in the period from 1975 to 1977, then only MiG-23ML (A) variants for the Soviet Air Force (under the former designation in service MiG-23ML (23-12) and export variants MiG-23ML (correct name MiG-23ML Variant A / Variant B) abbreviated designation 23-12A/23-12B…
    2.The variant with the radar product 324ML is most likely a safety option parallel to the MiG-23ML(A) with the radar N-003…The MiG-23ML(A) variant won … that is, these are experimental aircraft…
  2. They definitely weren’t in Germany!..
  3. If you want R-24/R-73 missiles in the German branch, then it is better to ask for Bulgarian MiG-23MLD (23-22A) and MiG-23MLD(23-18) Bulgarian aircraft still have a chance to get into the Game in any other way…
  4. Why did the GDR and Czechoslovakia not immediately buy missiles R-24 I do not know, but deliveries of the R-24 for Germany are most likely in the R-24RM variant were planned during modernization in 1990…
    6.I have sent you the German registry…Our version can be viewed here… Реестр МиГ-23 - создадим вместе

The 23-12 and 23-12A difference is going to make me lose my mind, lol. It’s so confusing

Also, I didn’t want the R-73s. That was a mistake, and I did not intend those to be there, and they were never in the armaments section, only that (incorrect) picture. R-24s are already on the current MLA, in-game. R-24s were likely sent over with the MLA aircraft because by then (to my knowledge) production had stopped on R-23, or at least significantly slowed. But the devs also add/remove missiles for balance purposes, so there’s that.

  1. Then why do you need this unknown plane, especially in Germany?
  2. Yes! Developers frivolously play with Balance and historical facts…Personally, I am against the current Soviet MiG-23ML…
  3. In reality, the export of the R-60 was allowed in 1983, the R-24 in 1984, the export of the R-60MK in 1985…
  4. Why do you need this incomprehensible plane?.There is a handsome MiG-23MLD (23-22A)…MiG-23MLD(23-18)…
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Why would you wanna remove a solid grinding premium?

👀👀👀👀 a way to share pdfs

Because i want to play german planes without having +6 bombing tornados in my team, i rather have 6 lazurs than 6 tornados

Shouldn’t the MLA just be ML?