the 12.7 mig29s are in a rather poor state and i think its actually bout the time gajin fixed them. removing the R60M and replacing it with the R73, removing the R27ER and giving it the R27R since the 9.12 and 9.13 mig29s never carried the r27er’s gajin knows this because back when it first got added the mig29 had R73s and R27R’s but they changed it for balancing reasons at the time but now its been a long time and the balance and meta has shifted in war thunder the mig29 has a subpar air frame and horrible ir missiles and a joke of a radar and dont get started on the joke that is spo15 for a br where you can face fox3s. so all i really ask for the snail is remove the R60M and R27ER and fix its FM and give it R73s and maybe please decompress top tier please. these changes wouldnt make the mig29 op or anything but it would make the jet actually more fun to play
but thats my scizo rant done have a great day people
Mig-29’s flight models are fixed, and R-73s would make it 13.0: F-16A, Mig-29G, etc. Instead of making it another boring 13.0 you could just remove the 27ERs and make it 12.3.
The only incorrect thing about Mig-29s currently is the thrust curve is incorrect from ~390kph to ~600kph causing incorrect mid speed performance.
Yea. Then put it at 13.0 and make it useless because 90% of the matches will be uptiers to 14.0
Ya, 13.0 is weird, its not AWFUL, but its not great its somewhere 50/50. 12.7 is just absolute positive downtier city though. God bless F4S spam after a sale. Hopefully it stays this way lol.
well it would be nice if they decompressed 14.0-12.0 so it all non fox3 13.0s wouldnt get sent to hell.
this whole suggestions revolts on gajin fixing the compression
27ERs are good enough to face top tier, the Su-27S shows that. A MiG-29 with its good FM and R73s would be nice, but it would drop the ERs for 27Rs which I don’t think is adequate for a 13.0
i do agree on that with R73 and R27R its not 13.0 material cause the mig29g exists with R73 and ER so it wouldnt make sense for it to be 13.0
When Su-27/33 are in 13.0, which carries a large number of R-27ER and R-73 missiles, and the Su-33 even have digitized RWR, a BR difference of just 0.3 should not prevent the MiG-29 from having access to R-73 missiles. The MiG-29 only carries six missiles, with only two R-27s. so providing it with better R-73 missiles for close-range dogfights presents is absolutely a good choice.
Thing is, can’t really be 12.7 with R73s and R27Rs… None of the MiG-29s in game (bar SMT I believe) should carry the R27ER missile. If they fix its flight model it becomes an F-16ADF with IRCCM missiles and a HMD, and I urge you to look towards the F-16A (France) at 13.0.
the F16A in france is not that great tbf 9Ms are amazing missile for it but at 13.0 theres stuff like su27s with shit load of R27ERs and R73s and even fox3 throwers granted they are sub par but stilli dont think R73s and R27R are 13.0 material this would be alot more easy if they just decompress 13.0 to make room for such changes and theres also the mig29g at 13.0 with r73 and ER, also the ADF has the 7M which is better then the R27R so the adf would have worse ir missiles but better radar missiles
You just admitted that R-73 is 13.0 material because the Mig-29G is 13.0. The 27ER isn’t what makes the Mig-29G 13.0, it’s the R-73s that make it 13.0.
Mirage 2000C is 12.7 with R-27R equivalent missiles and 2x Magic 2s.
If it had 6x Magic 2s it’d be 13.0… like the Mirage 4000.
All 12.7s are hilariously inferior to any gen 4+ platform that can carry 6x R-73s.
F-2A, F-16A, Mirage 4000, JAS39A, Mig-29G… all those IR missile reliant aircraft would have to be 12.7 according to your beliefs about Mig-29 and R-73s.
That guy said because of R-73 and 27 ER lol. Not just R-73. At 12.7+ BRs, radar missiles have way more impact than IR missiles.
Your statement about IR missile importance may be true last year but after the multi pathing height reduction, radar missiles > IR missiles.
There is a reason why former top dogs like JAS39A, Mirage4K are set at a lower BR than their former counterparts.
what i think should be done is for all 12.0 and above to be decompressed so such changes could be made cause you either uptier jets so they are useless or downtier them to the point they comicly overpowered the nr1 thing to happen is decompression.
the mig29g is barely coping at 13.0
the mirage 4000 i dont have much experience on so i dont know how it performs in 13.0
the F16A BEL is also in a place it needs decompression to be moved around cause it gets uptired to useless or downtierd to absolute king
the bottom line is
i just want decompression in these brs so changes and balancing could be made cause if you move evrything aroud its either useless or to powerful you cant balance these out with the current state of the compression.
Gripen just dominated in downtiers and gets torn apart on uptiers. I have had times where I finished uptier games with 0 score. Didnt even get score from dying bc I didn’t die. Gripen has a max range of 5km and that only works on headons. The mig29 would be quite good at 13.0 if it kept the 27er and the r73. The only issue I would say is the radar. They should just decompress the brs and stop making short term solutions like removing stuff from planes
I hope we see some toptier decompression real soon, its a must atp
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At this point point I’m honestly not even sure decompression will do a whole lot, even if tommorow we got 16.0 air.
It seems no matter what after decompression patches soft brackets form, and some planes benefit, others get worse. And across a .9 BR spread it follows the pattern of: Mostly downtiers - 50/50 - mostly uptiers. This is basically what 12.7 - 13.0 - 13.3 is or 10.0 - 10.3 - 10.7. Some BRs ranges are healthier like 4-7, but premiums that are heavily spammed out and end of the line TT planes seem to just dictate these brackets regardless of decompression.
At these point I’d rather see the rotating hard brackets sim has, and then add a RP/SL modifer of like 20-60% for queing up at the lower BR ranges of the brackets during that day. Every BR would have 2 days a week where it is top dog, then rotate around.
Well the thing is. Br system is ruined by uptiers/downtiers. Bc no matter how well the vehicles are balanced out. Every popular battle rating will turn into a black hole eventually. Sucking the battle ratings around it.