i was unaware of the fact the r-33 was SARH, i thought it was just a Russian version of the phoenix. Thanks for clearing that up, isnt there a variant of the r-33 that is fox-3 though? cuz gaijin adding the foxhound with the hypersonic r-37 would be certainly overkill
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The R-33M was an improved ARH variant of the R-33S which was later redesignated the R-37. Modern MiG-31BMs in service today use the twin-stage R-37M.
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no prob, its one of my favorite aircraft and it needs to be done some justice. If its not added in the next patch i have hopes that at least this year we will get it. It’s perfectly ballanced imo but ive seen some mods saying that the mig-25 is too advanced for the current state of the game which is absolute nonsense. It has the same radar as the mig-23 mld, worse flight performance than any of the russian jets and can only carry R60Ms and R40R/T which are fox 1 and fox 2 respectively, how is it more advanced than what we have in game, yknow what i mean?
the r37M is the hypersonic version right? mach 7.2 capable iirc, if there is a non hypersonic version of that it could definetly be added then
I believe so, though I don’t remember the top speed of the top of my head. However, only the MiG-31BM and BSM (of the MiG-31 family) use the R-37. The missile was originally developed in the 80s but due to the collapse of the Soviet Union it was cancelled. In 2006, the program was restarted in tandem with the beginning of the MiG-31BM program, with the missile probably entering full production in 2014. Because the R-37 was at its core an 80s missile expected to compete with missiles such as the AIM-120C-7 and R-77-1, an upgrade program was initiated that same year. The R-37M probably entered service in 2017.
So unfortunately there’s not really a good way to realistically add a MiG-31 with R-37 but not R-37M, unless R-37M just is just not added to the game.
However, with inertial guidance, mid-course updates, and a radar that can simultaneously track 10 targets and engage 4 (later 6 for 31B) of those, the R-33 would probably behave guidance-wise more like an ARH than like most SARHs in the game.
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Управляемая ракета большой дальности Р-33 (К-33) | Ракетная техника (missilery.info)
В каком ты классе, старик? Размышления о самолете МиГ-31. Часть 1 (naukatehnika.com)
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makes me really hype for a possible addittion of the mig-31 even if limited with r-33.
how does one evade a pesa radar? You evade pulse with chaff, Pulse-Doppler by notching, but what do you do with pesa, do you still notch + chaff?
IDK TBH, RF has always been the aspect of aerospace engineering with which I am least familiar. From my understanding PESA functions quite like a normal PD, but the array allows it to continually scan its entire FoV rather than sweeping through like a conventional mechanically scanned radar.
Notch and chaff or stay low are presumably the best options as normal, since the missile has a minimum altitude of 50m AGL. It’s also probably best to evade during the inertial stage of flight if possible.
Though with the terrible overload of the R-33 it might be easier to avoid kinematically than by breaking lock.
I’d like to see something like the MiG-31M or MiG-31BM
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Knowing Gaijin FM modelling upon release it will sustain 14G turns at 600KPH IAS and shit on everything before being nerfed into the ground.
sorry its not american so wont happen
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Just once, for one day, I would like to look at this forum without reading something that gives me a similar experience to drinking a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster.
Let’s just think about which UFO planes are in the game, recently added and as of yet unnerfed. F-14 and F-16.
The Tomcat is hardly over performing - in fact it’s underperforming with regards to it’s sensor package.
Yes, I don’t think anyone argues that.
My original comment was more pointed at Gaijin’s tendency to introduce over-performing FMs and nerf them post launch rather than feed people’s foil hat theories about nation bias.
so why is f-16 still overperforming and mig 29 is still brick heck even f-15 has better flight performance than su-27
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Right. It simply wasn’t an appropriate plane to add, still under BR for what it is.
Strange how there is a pretty consistent correlation between the nations of such planes.
From loads of BR brackets it’s a pretty consistent experience of getting your teeth kicked in by US planes. P-39, XP-50, F2G-1, F-104, AV-8, F-5, F-14, F-15 and F-16.
For sure that nation holds no exclusive dominion over ridiculous or cracked planes, but it is pretty awfully consistent in having many highly dominant and somewhat ridiculous planes at a lot of important BR points.
Not even that every plane in the tree is perfect, but there are more than enough monsters to basically ruin any BR.
These planes are nightmarish when flown competently, their only limitation is that the pilots are often not as skilled as required to truly dominate in those planes.
Meanwhile we see that even Soviet and Russian planes are struggling to get their proper performance implemented, despite all the hollering about supposed Russian bias.
So we can sort of predict that a plane like MiG-31 would be implemented without proper engine power and with crippling energy bleed, just like MiG-29 and Su-27.
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If it was modelled properly, it would be undertiered for sure. It’s current implementation (both variants) are fine and are really only an annoyance, not an actual threat if you were flying in a dedicated fighter. What it does have however is a very high skill ceiling, meaning the one in a thousand pilots would wipe the floor with it… until it encounters an average M2K pilot.
Such comparisons can also be made with other major nations. Aside from standouts, this ebb and flow of dominance will continue to sway for as long as Gaijin decides it to. First it was the F-14a, then it was the MiG-29 9.12 and so on.
In the case of the MiG-29As, it is a game limitation that results in the relaxed stability (ability to pull high AoA at low speeds) - Instructor cucks us again.
Literally full circled back to the joke I was making - a broken FM on release.
Believe it or not, aside from the Instructor limiting it’s AoA at low speeds, it is performing accurately. The reason why it feels under powered is because the F-16 is over performing.
I can’t comment on this so I will simply abstain.
Certainly, and US will be superior in those comparisons.
This is true but it almost never comes at the expense of US.
Standouts are the rule in these cases since they are so common and prominent.
Sure, but you did say.
and then
Which isn’t “The FM can be broken for the worse” but quite clearly the opposite.
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do you guys thing we will be seeing any of the russian interceptors this year? i wish smin would confirm or deny it, its weird that none of them seem to be in gaijin’s figurative radar…we could have gotten the mig-25 PD over the jaguar for the sword of justice event. Specially cuz india operated them too…
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Any GSh weapon is customary to go caliber / barrels.