Next time don’t leave out the bars description man, it literally shows that the M2K outperforms the 29 at basically all speeds.
EDIT: I left the line descriptions out, sorry for that, M2K CS5 is orange, 29 9-13 is blue.
@Grossaaaa
Funny how you left fuel amount out, as well as other potential parameters.
I didn’t, cause you can see my fuel amount via WTRTI.
Also I only ran SEP 0 because I need to remember what SEP means at some point, it’s a term I haven’t had to use in years.
Here’s how the Mig-29s need to be reworked:
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Give them back their old flight model + the buffs they added to the nerfed flight model
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Remove their R-27ER/ET
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Add the R-73
It’s quite simple really.
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They are default, so both at the same fuel, flaps, etc PP.
SEP stands for “Specific Excess Power”. At low G overloads the Mig has lower drag, meaning it has excess power allowing it to accelerate through turns. This however changes quickly as the G overload rises, meaning at high Gs, the 29 gets once again, clapped by the M2K.
They can keep the flight model as it is. The R73s would make it excel at close ranges, the removal of the R27Es would give it a major downside to the 7Fs.
The 21 Bison is .3 of a BR lower with 2 R73s. Not a big issue. this thing with 4 R73s or just 2 on the middle pilons would make it more than a launch platform for 2 R27ERs and then a free kill.
That’s about what I suspected.
Gross, I know you want to believe that Mig-29 9.12/9.13 is bad but it really isn’t. It’s the 2nd best 12.7 in the game right now only beaten by F-16A.
And while Mirage 2000C5 has 2 Magic 2s, it uses R-27R equivalent radar missiles, and the C4 lacks countermeasures. They’re adequate airframes with good engines, which is better than what can be said about F-14A.
Mig-29 is the 2nd best airframe at 12.7 right now… granted out of 5 total airframes.
Also Mig-21Bis is the worst airframe above 12.0. Further proof of why Mig-29G is 13.0 and not 12.7.
Also @ItzMikeyzWRLD-psn sorry to burst your bubble, but the Mig-29 doesn’t out-perform an F-16C IRL, and your posts’ suggestions would make it do that.
Not only that but R-73s make it 13.0, and 13.3 post-decompression.
Didn’t the Mig-29: F-16 fights with the German Mig-29s end with the realization that the Mig-29 was not only a better dogfighter but its R-73s + HMD made it even more deadly? If I remember correctly, those were F-16As too, which are the better dogfighters in-game and IRL.
The Mig-29 F-16 fights made NATO discover they needed a thrust-vectoring CQC missile for emergencies.
F-16 had the better flight performance though, which they do in-game as well.
I don’t know of any issues with the Mig-29 flight model at this time, and I would be cautious about claims since it’s flight model is rather healthy.
There’s a thrust curve question for the engines once the anti-FOD device is open though.
Gaining 46% thrust from 580kph to ~mach 1 is something wild. Lower speed thrust might be too low.
Mig-29 has 60 countermeasures, a good PD radar with a 20km ACM range, 2 meta missiles, 4 backup missiles.
And yeah, as much as I’d love to see the R-27ERs removed, I want it moved to 12.3 with them removed, not to 13.0 and later 13.3 post-decompression when there are already Mig-29s there for me to play.
MiG 29G and MiG 29SMT under br’ed? In what world?
Su 27/Su 33 is the same br as the 29G, with more countermeasures, and most importantly more missiles. In other nations, planes such as the F15A/J, Jas39a, f4f ice all exist at the same BR with better kits.
MiG 29SMT is 13.3, where you could be playing the Su 34, which even though it has no HMD, has more missiles as well. If we look at planes that are at the same br in other nations, you have the JF 17 at 13.3 with a far better flight model and superior fox 3s compared to the SMT.
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Thanks for agreeing with me that they’re all under-BR’d.
Yeah all of those planes need to go up, but without decompression the MiG 29s just cannot be pushed up further
Then they should have them in-game. It’s like the Tomcat without Aim-54s or the A-10 without the GAU-8.
It would better suit the Mig-29 anyways. It’s always been known for being a close-range dogfighter.
The SMT can, but that’s also reliant on the F-15s going up to where they belong with Typhoons, and Su-34 going up with it.
@ItzMikeyzWRLD-psn
AIM-9X is unflareable. Like AIM-9Ls vs F-104As.
Even with multi-spectral flares those are only used on the more modern jets like F-15C MSIP, F-16C, but not on 29SMT, who knows if Sukhoi aircraft have them available, and so on and so forth.
BOL has multi-spectral tho.
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Again, R73s exist on the 21 Bison, which suffers from a similarly bad FM as the 29. They are not an issue at 12.3. Magic 2s are found as low as 11.3 on the Indian Jaguar.
As of now, the early 29s are like I said, just a delivery vehicle for R27ERs. Nothing else.
R60Ms are already quite bad at 11.7 on the 23s and basically only net you kills against distracted people. Most of the time even these shots get flared on accident.
HMD is nice to have, but basically useless unless in very specific scenarios with the 27s, as they lack the close range pull of the 73s. The 73 is the reason why the Mig 29s have HMD in the first place too.
Nah, it’s pretty bad.
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lolno Mig-29 is not a bad airframe. That’s like claiming F-16C’s airframe is bad just cause it’s not meta.
Jaguar and Mig-21Bis are not anywhere close to as good as Mirage 2000, F-14A, and Mig-29 in airframe performance.
@AllNationEnjoyer
Dude, Mirage 2000, Mig-29, F-14A, F-16C, etc flight models are not bad…
We can go in to a 1v1 right now and I swear to god you won’t ever have a shooting solution on the Mirage if you take the MiG-29
why am i not even surprised to see alvis here in this thread giving bad opinions about the mig29s? lol
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Sure, you in the Mig-29, me in the Mirage 2000. We can swap each 3 rounds if you want.
@unluckyg
Good to know you think all the hundreds of experts as well as Statshark I got this information from are all bad to you.
In any lmao
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