In what world are they under BR’d? They are undertiered due to compression, but that doesn’t mean that they can go up in BR right now.
They have. Considering the BR difference between the 29G and Eurofighter, they consistently face planes with vastly superior capabilities because Gaijin added too many planes too quickly without proper decompression.
Neither am I from russia, nor are you proving anything with that. All you did it prove that in a hyper-specific scenario at these exact speeds/altitudes that the M2K has 1°/s less sustained turn.
The Mig is in a dive right now, the M2 climbs. That affects turn rates. The M2 is slower overall. You are literally proving nothing but the fact that you have no clue.
I rather believe some of the best players in the game than a guy that has some of the worst takes in the entire WT community.
@Grossaaaa Neither are climbing nor descending.
And Mirage 2000 is not “slower overall” it’s 14kph which doesn’t matter.
Oh, and considering you call energy retention “hyper-specific” proves you’ve never watched Defyn or other air players on YouTube. Dismissing energy retention is a hilariously bad idea.
I find it funny you didn’t even mention fuel time, which was the most obvious “disparity” and the only one that impacted the energy retention. Hint: They’re both 5 minutes of fuel time on full AB.
They literally couldn’t be more parity, and fun-fact Mig-29’s energy retention only INCREASES beyond Mirage 2000’s the faster it goes because it gains ~46% more thrust, compared to the ~17% more thrust Mirage 2000 gets at the same speed.
Thanks for admitting that Mig-29 is better by posting.
Here’s a piece of advice, if you don’t want to disclose your country don’t use slang exclusive to your country.
And good to know you consider every take all experts ever said [which I’ve repeated thousands of takes from said experts], decompression, and basic facts “bad takes”.
Keep claiming all experts in WT are wrong, all you do is prove them right.
Edit: I guess according to your post, Statshark is wrong too.
I agree if you also limit the r73s to the outer pylons so it can carry max 4 and therefore NEEDS to carry 2x r27r/t instead of 6x r73
not adding r73 to mig29 is the exact same thing as not giving aim54 to f14
No, not adding R-73 to Mig-29 is the same as not adding AIM-9Ms to F-14A.
It’s not needed; go play the Mig-29G or Mig-29SMT which are both currently under-BR’d anyway.
Stop trying to uptier the oldest Mig-29s…
There’s a reason I don’t respond to you regularly.
Well, you and I agree on most things.
This is just one of the tiny minority of things we don’t agree on.
You may want AIM-9Xs on a Harrier, but I want competitive Harriers to exist period.
I want a 12.3 Mig-29 to exist, I don’t want the minimum BR of Mig-29s to be 13.0 - 13.3 as your posts demand it be.
No.
No.
What the hell does this have to do with the topic
so you want compression
You know nothing about anything.
BRs moving is not compression, however your post just said a desire for compression and for WT to stand perfectly still by claiming you do not agree with most things; which I know for a fact that attempt at contrarian to your own beliefs isn’t what you actually believe.
Statshark shows the Mirage turning circle as tighter, what the fuck are you on about?
Next time don’t leave out the bars description man, it literally shows that the M2K outperforms the 29 at basically all speeds.
EDIT: I left the line descriptions out, sorry for that, M2K CS5 is orange, 29 9-13 is blue.
@Grossaaaa
Funny how you left fuel amount out, as well as other potential parameters.
I didn’t, cause you can see my fuel amount via WTRTI.
Also I only ran SEP 0 because I need to remember what SEP means at some point, it’s a term I haven’t had to use in years.
Give them back their old flight model + the buffs they added to the nerfed flight model
Remove their R-27ER/ET
Add the R-73
It’s quite simple really.
They are default, so both at the same fuel, flaps, etc PP.
SEP stands for “Specific Excess Power”. At low G overloads the Mig has lower drag, meaning it has excess power allowing it to accelerate through turns. This however changes quickly as the G overload rises, meaning at high Gs, the 29 gets once again, clapped by the M2K.
They can keep the flight model as it is. The R73s would make it excel at close ranges, the removal of the R27Es would give it a major downside to the 7Fs.
The 21 Bison is .3 of a BR lower with 2 R73s. Not a big issue. this thing with 4 R73s or just 2 on the middle pilons would make it more than a launch platform for 2 R27ERs and then a free kill.
That’s about what I suspected.
Gross, I know you want to believe that Mig-29 9.12/9.13 is bad but it really isn’t. It’s the 2nd best 12.7 in the game right now only beaten by F-16A.
And while Mirage 2000C5 has 2 Magic 2s, it uses R-27R equivalent radar missiles, and the C4 lacks countermeasures. They’re adequate airframes with good engines, which is better than what can be said about F-14A.
Mig-29 is the 2nd best airframe at 12.7 right now… granted out of 5 total airframes.
Also Mig-21Bis is the worst airframe above 12.0. Further proof of why Mig-29G is 13.0 and not 12.7.
Also @ItzMikeyzWRLD-psn sorry to burst your bubble, but the Mig-29 doesn’t out-perform an F-16C IRL, and your posts’ suggestions would make it do that.
Not only that but R-73s make it 13.0, and 13.3 post-decompression.
Didn’t the Mig-29: F-16 fights with the German Mig-29s end with the realization that the Mig-29 was not only a better dogfighter but its R-73s + HMD made it even more deadly? If I remember correctly, those were F-16As too, which are the better dogfighters in-game and IRL.
The Mig-29 F-16 fights made NATO discover they needed a thrust-vectoring CQC missile for emergencies.
F-16 had the better flight performance though, which they do in-game as well.
I don’t know of any issues with the Mig-29 flight model at this time, and I would be cautious about claims since it’s flight model is rather healthy.
There’s a thrust curve question for the engines once the anti-FOD device is open though.
Gaining 46% thrust from 580kph to ~mach 1 is something wild. Lower speed thrust might be too low.
Mig-29 has 60 countermeasures, a good PD radar with a 20km ACM range, 2 meta missiles, 4 backup missiles.
And yeah, as much as I’d love to see the R-27ERs removed, I want it moved to 12.3 with them removed, not to 13.0 and later 13.3 post-decompression when there are already Mig-29s there for me to play.
MiG 29G and MiG 29SMT under br’ed? In what world?
Su 27/Su 33 is the same br as the 29G, with more countermeasures, and most importantly more missiles. In other nations, planes such as the F15A/J, Jas39a, f4f ice all exist at the same BR with better kits.
MiG 29SMT is 13.3, where you could be playing the Su 34, which even though it has no HMD, has more missiles as well. If we look at planes that are at the same br in other nations, you have the JF 17 at 13.3 with a far better flight model and superior fox 3s compared to the SMT.
Thanks for agreeing with me that they’re all under-BR’d.
