Exactly what I thought as well, it’s basically just a Romanian MiG-29G with some differences.
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Welp there goes any interest i had.
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I did see a few tidbits saying the Sniper upgrade was intended to be a similiar upgrade (in terms of capability) to the Mig-21 Lancer upgrade by the same company(?). And that there were successful tests of Python 3 on that upgrade, but I haven’t seen anything directly saying the Sniper upgrade saw a 1:1 success in regards to testing that missile. A sort of “we intend for these to be the same but we aren’t saying they ended up that way” situation. So I guess I could see some confusion or frustration on kit availability.
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I see no issues… logic is optional in Budapest…
This is my last message on any topic regarding issues
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At the very least give it R-73. It sucks that almost all the Mig-29s are horrible at such a high BR with their R-60Ms and its variants.
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what other elements?
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nah just remove it from the game, if they can add something that isn’t a carbon copy sure but just adding a missile that the other one can carry but doesn’t have them in game does not make it unique. Its like a premium feature you gotta pay to get the r-73 in italy while the current Mig-29 in the TECH TREE can carry them. pay 80 bucks to equip your r-73 cappable mig-29 with the r-73’s it already should have .I think it should be removed from the game before people can buy it.
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I don’t understand why the EL/M-2032 radar was removed.
For this modernization program it’s known that the radar was not changed from the N019 of the original, but it came after Romania did the Mig 21 LanceR right? So it’s safe to assume if the program was continued, it would receive the EL/M-2032 radar like the LanceR did.
It would not be the first time a plane in this game received something based on an “assumption”. The mirage 4000 never had a radar installed, but it was assumed it would receive the Thomson RD radar (I know it’s not the same case as with the Sniper program that already had a radar, but still…)
I understand they don’t want to give it R-73 missiles, because they’re targetting a 12.7 BR or the Python 3 because there are no documents saying that it could use them, even though this came after the Mig 21 LanceR that could, though keeping it’s 12.7 BR.
The Sniper is a unique, one and done, vehicle. If it’s not added to the game in the best state that it could be in, means we’ll never see it at as the upgrade program envisioned it, and that’s sad for a Romanian that’s been playing the game since before tanks were even added.
I personally wanted to pick it up when it went to live, even if it only had R-60s, but as it stands the Sniper is just a 12.7 Mig 29 with digital RWR and western bombs, not worth picking up.
So at least add back the EL/M-2032 radar to it.
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Because it was only planned as far as i know. Which, ok, only planned avionics package.
But then lets look at yak-141.
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So add R73 to it. (9-12) was compatable with the R73. Move it too 13.0 and at least let it be a usable 29G (better RWR).
Or i guess reply to this and cry “balancing decisions” even tho there is a 9-12 at 13.0 with R73. Idk youre choice i guess
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Balancing decisions dont just factor in if there is already just an aircraft on an existing BR with a particular missile.
As mentioned above also, precisely because we have MIG-29s on multiple BRs, the data from how each perform can also be considered.
Matchmaking ranges and what would work best for a premium are all important balance considerations when deciding on its loadout.
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I think gaijin is specifically trying to add the Mig29 sniper test bed, not the theoretical planned version but just the one that was actually built, very unfortunate but oh well maybe we’ll get the planned one another day
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Can you tell us why Gaijin is hellbent on keeping all 9.12 MiG-29’s at the same br at the cost of giving them fake loadouts?
When IRL, the differences in air-to-air loadout would warrant different br’s for the Hungarian,German ones compared to the Russian version that had everything, unlike the first 2.
Losing the "fake " BVR missiles for the R73 would be a fair tradeoff. And it would also increase uniqueness.
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I agree with you but unless gaijin added like a mig29 early with the r60s and the r27, it would arguably decrease or at least not change uniqueness at all
Multiple factors. Tree composition, BR spacings, balance considerations factoring in the data from MIGs across all the BRs we have.
The 12.7 MIG-29s mostly sit pretty comfortably at their current range and with their current kit. When an aircraft finds its natural leveled out position, drastic changes to its weaponry kit are far less lightly to take place.
I understand the rhetoric but this in turn makes the game repetitive, I get that taking risks with premiums isn’t ideal but at the same time a not unique premium, makes it less appealing.
And I’m not referring to the R-73 in this case.
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In the case of premiums, its precisely why risk taking is especially not a good idea when the information is not clear at all.
There is currently no information to be clear on which “Western Weaponry” is applicable or specifically what “NATO Compatable” Weaponry apllies to Sniper.
As mentioned previously, reports with information that can provide direct clarity are more than welcome. But things that may define a certain BR or position wont be added that run a risk of having to be taken away for a premium without clear information.
Much like the Italian M60 that had to loose its stabiliser post release, we are very keen to avoid such situations ever again with premiums.
Lmao. Lame ass premium. Expected something better but i guess gaijob had other plans.
Appreciate Smin for keeping us updated tho
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poor thing’s DOA without even having had time to be anything else than a sad plane
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I know its not your fault and youre just here to keep us updated, but were getting a mig29 that is being refused western weapons becuase its not sure about those weapons *which is fine…
And also being refused its upgraded weapons which the airframe was built around using.
Just kind of annoying for people who have the trees dones but aint paying €80 for essentially an identical plane in the game for the 4th time
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