Mig 29 Flight Performance and Weapony

So it’s been a few years since the mig 29 has been talked about it feels, and it feels worse than ever in 2025. When it was first released, it was a dominating jet because it did it all. It was fast, it could turn amazing, and it had some of the best missiles in the game. Due to all of this, gaijin nerfed it several times into the ground, performing several times worse than public documentations provide they should while also buffing it’s competition the f16 to where now the NATO aircraft is without a doubt the more dominant platform in regards to turn rate, high aoa pulls, and even weaponry, especially at top tier.

Let’s be blunt. The mig 29 feels like trying to drive a school bus, and the mig 29 smt feels like trying to drive a school bus with cement bricks for wheels. Can you get kills and potentially perform well? Sure. Will you ever do it by using your plane’s strengths to their fullest? Never in a million years. There are several accounts of german mig 29 pilots talking about their training with nato f16 pilots and how they would absolutely dominate them in a merge. During operation desert storm, f16’s and other nato jets were told not to merge with mig 29 jets because the redfor fighter would crush them in a bfm engagement. Take that in for a moment. The US told their pilots not to dogfight because they were not confident that their jets that were built to be the ultimate dogfighter could beat the mig 29 in bfm.

So, why have we gotten to where we are today? Well I think it’s likely that gaijin for whatever reason felt pressured to nerf the mig 29 to make the f16 stand out back in the day. However, since then we’ve gotten several jets that are much more maneuverable like the eurofighter, the rafale, the su 30sm, and the legacy hornet. Why is it that the mig 29 is unable to have a decent flight performance again? I’m not asking for it to be turned into a ufo, but as it stands the jet is nearly unplayable and one of the biggest disappointments of the russian tech tree.

As a final point to this rant, why can’t the first mig 29 have r73’s? Sure back in the day it needed to be nerfed, but having r60m’s at 12.7 on a fighter makes it dead in the water 9 times out of 10. The su 27, thatt is only .3 br higher can have several r73 missiles, several r27er’s, and r27et’s. Why can’t the first mig 29 at least get 4 r73’s? It would not be broken, and we’re at a point where the jet deserves a chance to at least stand a fighting chance in the meta. Gaijin, please make the mig 29 fun to fly again. It’s been in the trash pile too long.

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lets be fair. Remove R-27ER from the MiG-29s except maybe the SMT.
give them R-73.
give them their old flight model.
remove the extra Mig-29G (make it a skin for the GDR one)(or vice versa) and do the same for the two in the russian tech tree.

Problem solved and now we have a good fighter which people actually enjoy to play.

We need to stop being like apple and make the old tech obsolete so people are forced to play the newer ones.

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Their flight model is already correct, and the Mig-29s should never get R-73s.

They’re fine at the 12.x BRs, they shouldn’t be made copy-paste Mig-29Gs; and the Mig-29G should never be removed as suggesting such a thing is entirely against Germany’s unique Mig-29.

The 12.7 Mig-29s are already amazing, and not playing them is just silly.
The only reason to remove the R-27ERs is to move the Mig-29s to 12.3, not to 13.3 post-decompression with R-73s.

Nuh uh!

so you want to remove R-73s from all Mig-29s. Got it!

which is why i said:

oh uhm maybe that they never carried them IRL?
plus they would perform better at a lower BR without them?

Agreement.

Also to address the flight model situation.
The flight model shows it being on-par with F-16C in 0 and 300.
Now, I can’t explain what’s going on at SEP -1200, but the high-speed energy retention exceeds that of F-16C when fuel is normalized to AB fuel consumption [F-16C has 79% filled, Mig-29 has 100% filled] in other areas.

Spoiler


Added Mirage 2000 with the same fuel load.

However, the fact it is acting like an F-16 entirely at low speeds, and this can be explained by the Mig-29’s thrust being far too low but not the flight model being incorrect.

IAS?

i find that… very hard to believe

how low…?

Check the spoiler for the charts.

you dont bleed all your speed in 2 turns when flying the F-16 right?

I don’t bleed all my speed in any jet cause I manage my mouse inputs within the sustained turn rate of jets I fly.
I only bleed speed when absolute advantage is in my favor.