MiG-29 (9-12) should come with R-73 instead of R-27ER

This has been asked countless times on this forum and many content-creators have asked for this same thing. Yet every time the forum topics are ignored and support tickets are closed as “Not a bug” or “Not enough issue”.

Let me remind you of the initial reasoning not to give it the R-73’s:

First — technical one: to provide the correct operation of the missile in all game modes it is necessary to improve code (implementation of the angle of attack sensor in the missile) without which the missile will behave unstably in some situations, such as launching at low speeds with a large target sighting angle or at high launch overloads. We expected to solve this issue by missile configuration but now we realized that we need additional coding.

Second — balance. The combination of the R-73 and the HMS (helmet mounted sight) gives the aircraft unique capabilities in close combat which in our opinion can make the aircraft too effective - with all the ensuing consequences (repair cost, increased BR). At the same time the other armament - R-27R missile and especially R-27T + R-60M - are already quite a formidable force in combination with excellent aircraft characteristics.

We will analyze performance statistics and possibly add the R-73 in the future if necessary or if more aircraft with similar combinations of flight characteristics and weapons appear in the game. In the meantime we will fine-tune the missile’s functionality to be completely correct.

First issue was dealt with right after release back in late 2022.

Second? It was probably true on release when MiG-29 was one of the only two real Gen4 fighter jets seal clubbing Gen3 with its’ excellent aircraft characteristics

Look at these stats as of February 2026:

Plane is struggling if we exclude premium slop and extreme over/under performing outliers.

“But if you give it R-73 it’s BR would have to be raised to 13.0”

This is what a proper 13.0 looks like:

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  • Better speed at high alt.
  • Better speed retention.
  • x3 the amount of the R-27ER.
  • same amount of R-73 together with ^

Just look at its’ peer that used to share the 12.7 BR after armament and BR adjustment:


That’s a very healthy boy, perfect in every way.

All the while F-15A with IRCCM missiles and infinitely better FM gets lowered to 12.7 with this result:




At this point this is just a misguided russian bias that misfires: “But muh russian jet can’t lose therefore I’d rather give it the best missile in the game instead of a useless R-73”.

It’s already losing, falling behind the meta month after month:

Guys, this might be the final push we can muster with the separation of MiG-29 into 9-12 and 9-13 variants.

If 9-12 goes live with 27ER with R-60M’s at 12.7 it will either keep falling behind or Gaijin, in a brillinat fit of russian bias, will lower it’s BR to 12.3 to compress the Gen3 with R-27ER tyranny.

Give the 9-12 variant R-27R + R-73 at 12.7
Give the 9-13 variant R-27ER + R-73 at 13.0 with the assumption of a future decompression

  • R-27R + R-73
  • R-27ER + R-60M
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the entire point of the 9-12 being added is so that the r73 can be added to the 9-13, because adding r73 and removing r27er would still result in 13.0

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Did you even read the OP?

Go ahead, read it twice if you have to.

Your argument is already adressed and is either outdated or dumb.

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the mig29s themselves are fine at 12.7 the problem is the horrific compression at that BR, the f15a shouldnt have gone down and everything above them (and the hornets) need to go up by 0.3

This is fine:

This is bad:

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“But it performs bad in downtiers”

Gee, I wonder why?

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~0.8-1 kd is kinda the normal kd at most BRs for most vehicles and isnt really noteworthy

No its not normal.
A kd of 1 and less mean that the player avrage 1 kill or less per game.

1 kill per game is extremely bad.

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For Air RB:
(remove the factors of using different aircraft and any potential gap in player skill)
If both sides starts with the same amount of players and no one crashes, the average K/D would be slightly lower than 1 (at least one player has to survive for one side to win). Now add any crashes, TK, disconnects, etc and the average K/D will absolutely be below 1.
So no, an average K/D of 1 per match is not bad, it’s actually mathematically better than average.

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Then what is this?

R-27R+R-73 at 12.7 please. I’d rather have 6 decent missiles than 2 great and 4 useless ones. It’ll also give Russia a native R-72R slinger because those don’t exist outside of the Mig-21Bison.

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Numbers taken from a third party website that can’t be fully trusted nor verified.

As a counter question though, do you know what a normal distribution curve is?

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R-27R plus R-60A

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You got better stats? Share them.

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nah i’d rather have r-27er over r73 for 12.7.
r27ers are just that good

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No, but as my good friend says, “I don’t need to be a PhD candidate to understand that some bullshit is being rubbed into me.”
As a player, I will never choose the MIG-29 9-13 to play on 13.0, because I understand that this is a bad aircraft.
I’ll read about the “normal distribution curve” in my spare time, but most likely this knowledge will not change my opinion about this aircraft.

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Short preface/clarification: I have no behind the scenes knowledge or influence when it comes to balancing in War Thunder. The things said below are just my personal understandings and thoughts based on statistical knowledge and math.

I don’t doubt that the MIG-29’s might be performing below average for their BR matching range, though i don’t know for certain as i haven’t played them myself so can’t really have an opinion on that yet.

TLDR:
A normal distribution curve (or bell curve) just means that when you have an average number of something then a majority of the time the distribution of a group of samples taken looks like this:

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Meaning that very few things are massively over or under performing. There are naturally things that will perform below average and others that will perform above average. Once something starts nearing the edges of this distribution then it’s likely time to start arguing for a change in it’s BR. changing BR does however likely come with the risk of it landing at the other end of the new BR matching range it went to (going from best to worst or the other way around) depending on how far away from the average it’s doing before the change.

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No, it shouldn’t.
It shouldn’t have R-73s either.
It should be 12.3 with R-60Ms and R-27Rs.

And yeah, it would be 13.0 as that’s where Mig-29G and 9.13 currently are.

The stock grind for the 9.13 pre update right now is horrible as those R-27Rs and R-60Ms arent exactly effective at 13.0+

Even with R-27ERs and R-73s i dont exactly think the MiG-29 is 13.0 material. Essentially everything at 13.0+ is better than you in every meaningful way at the BR (Better radar, RWR, CM Count, flight performance in some cases, etc etc).

But this is moreso a compression issue rather than a plane issue. If all the ARHs were to be moved up a BR or 2 the MiG-29s would perform significantly better.

I do agree that the all MiG-29s should be able to get their R-73s, with early MiGs like the 9.12s exchanging their R-27ERs for them, i dont think it should be added until proper decompression occurs.

to be fair the mig 29 G and 9.12 are same plane for germany no clue why they made 2 it should have been a skin the R27ER was never used on the MIG-29s in germany the only difference IRL is that it has NATO IFF so Germany could still use them

only cause you have 2 the R27R1 is a effective missile compared to the sparrow like AIM-7M