MIG 29-9.12/.13 and F16 ADF BR change POLL

its coming soon

expected more russian mains

why tho?

the Su-27 is at 13.0 and is just better than the mig-29 in every way

higher payload
better missiles
better flight model

the mig-29 shouldnt be at the same br as the su-27
even after it got the r-73
and especially not if it looses the r-27er

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hopefully soon they will be uptiering those as they dont belong there

And the f-16a mlus

IRCCM missiles make these aircraft 13.0 in all situations.
There already are F-16s with only 9Ms you can play.
There is already a Mig-29 with only R-73s you can play.

If anything the 9.12. and 9.13 should lose their 27ERs and be made 12.3.

Congrats on agreeing with everyone that Su-27 should be 13.3.

There still gonna R27R1 and aim7M/F the only plane loosing anything is mig 29 because it could not carry R27ER without MIG-29S upgrade

so for clarification would be R27R1 and AIM7M with R73 and AIM-9M

Because why the hell would they be 12.7 with R-73? 11.7s shouldn’t have to fight that!
13.0s just need to go up, regardless of if 13.3+ goes up as well.

problem is we need top tiers to go up which should happen soon

R-27ER is primarily a motor [and receiver maybe] replacement electronically speaking.
It and R-27R are seen as the same missile in the system.

yeah so its fine ?

it isnt, the r-27er wasnt even in service for atleast 5 to 10 more years after the mig-29 entered service

the r-27er was never exported to germany or hungary
same for the r-27t and r-27et

but do you know what entered service, together with the mig-29?

The r-73

yeah i know thats why im trying my best to get it added

Moving them to 13.0 with IRCCM missiles, they will be subpar anyway since F-15As and Su-27 are better in essentially everything. We already got the mig-29G at 13.0, but there isn’t any real reason to use it if you have a flanker

mig 29 g would be ideally 13.3 and su27/33 and F15A would be 13.7

many ppl have tried before

it wont happen

no it wouldnt as it should have the exact same armament as the Mig-29A

germany wasnt able to buy new stock after the german reunification, so whatever the GDR had is what the Mig-29G has

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mig 29 g has better missile it should be a tad bit higher

its like F4S and F4J