It is,… you just play it like a damn flying bus,…
Which makes it for Skill issue argues,…
But it’s not because one is dumb, that everyone should suffer.
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It’s actually like flying a damn bus.
like i said i never complain about it
If it can easily outturn a tornado, its not a bus. The Tornado is one of the few true busses in game
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Tornado, F-104, Yak-38 for jets
J7W1, SO-8000 for Propeller fighters
If its radar ever gets fixed (preferably like it was for like month back in feb(?) 2024) it can easily go to 12.0.
Cool, anyways
No offence, but I’m just wondering.
Compression impacts every low-BR jet in an uptier match.
Everyone suffers, no exception.
But Why MiG-23ML and F-4S are having highest rate of complaining?
I understand and well aware that current compression is shithole,
And ‘better than being Tornado IDS at 11.7’ don’t makes MiG-23ML easily kills 12.7BR jets like Mirage 2000CS-5.
But, in the same theory of OP.
Does Sea Harrier FRS.1(Early) need to get buff down to 10.3 because it also pure suffering at constant 11.7 uptiers?
(which will completely kill the 9.3-10.3 bracket.)
Lowering MiG-23ML down to 11.3 is nothing but a joke when we consider the rest of the jets in 11.3BR
- J-7E with no SARH
- F-4E
- Tornado IDS W/O GBU
- F-104S
- Su-24M
I don’t think MiG-23ML acts the same as Su-24 or Tornado IDS does.
(Even if we completely exclude A2A capability and only thinks about mindless base bombing, MiG-23 still will be better than Su-24 or Tornado IDS)
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F4s is great tbh
I don’t think MiG23 is a weak vehicle in any way shape or form, but just the fact people are doing badly on the best jet at a particular BR shows how bad is the compression, especially considering u still got a tornado at 11.7.
I’ve played the German MiG-23MLA and it flies like a brick. It’s no longer a DogFighting monster, it’s pretty mid.
I don’t think it’s overtiered. The radar is hot garbage combined with the Lego brick shape ACM mode and “automatic” MTI means it locks chaff/friendly more than the enemies.
It might just be as reliable as F-4E phantom in “look down” mode given how much the F-4E radar loves to ignore ground clutter.
But any lower BR, lower planes will suffer.
It’s not a fun plane to play, it’s a raw grinder with the napalms given how fast it is.
Mig-23 uniquely suffers a problem no other planes (aside Russian ones) does. Its terrible tall ACM mode. With the F-4EJ you can even bypass ground clutter sometimes, but you’ll just lock onto friendly with the mig 23.
It doesn’t change that MiG-23ML will ruin 10.3-11.3 if it gets buff.
Well yes, I don’t support downtiering it (I said why in a post above), just stating a reason why people may complain about the mig 23
Its ACM is actually quite good to get off missile in a dogfight without HMS, and unlike for example F-4J/S it has missiles that can pull in time to hit the target.
While it does lock chaff, from my experience as long as you keep the target painted the missile will go for it rather than chaff.
Yeah sure.
I’m going to say it… be prepared…
Skill Issue.
I’ve spaded the German MLA (basically the same as the ML) and it’s good. R-24Rs are gnarly in the head on, 4 R-60Ms is INSANE. Y’all tryna dogfight in a lawn dart, so don’t do it. Also use your gun, learn to aim it and you’ll win every headon. Better than the F-4S imo.
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The radar is god awful now, i spaded mld on release i dont think i could play with 24rs in an uptier with it now. 60ms are mediocre at this br and especially in an up tier, 24Ts are its only saving grace.
If they un fuck the radars mti saying fuck you if you arent below a specific altitude and pitched towards the dirt then im inclined to agree with you, other wise grit your teeth, it gets better with mig-29.
The radar works OK when there’s not many “clutter” on it’s giant ACM box (friendly planes, chaff etc) It’s a late game monster but will probably have the reaction time of a F-4E (time behind launching the missile, with lockon etc)
The F-104S ASA and Tornado IDS suffer significantly more at 11.7/12.0 than all MiG-23ML variants in-game (including the MLD/MLA) - we need decompression, not for the ML to go down in BR.
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i dont understand how people still dont get that decompression can only happen UPWARDS, you cant decompress by moving jets down and shitting up an entire BR, its better for the game if one jet suffers and takes skill to use rather than one jet stomping an entire BR range into the fuckin dirt. Wild that this is still not common knowledge by now.