MiG-23 Nerf Discussion

I havent seen any of them, but I’ve heard it was stuff like the Draken and Viggen. Which I kinda get a little. Draken’s are over-BRed with no CMs as it is. Though maybe this means they can get a BR drop. Viggens just suffer from Compression more than anything, like a lot of things do at that BR. Especially the Cs.

The subreddit is going nuts.

I’m not surprised the F-16/F-5/F-20 nerfs aren’t going though

F-5s just need their engine temps doubled and they would be perfectly balanced

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I wouldn’t mind seeing them go up to 11.0 also.

But apparently they are over performing. I don’t know how true it is, just going by what’s being said.

That’s what I’m wondering. Does he think people aren’t allowed to have some inaccuracies?

If RideR2’s reports should be dismissed because of some inaccuracies with the limited tools he has available, does he then think no one should be making bug reports at all?

Let’s not forget that RideR2 proved that devs incorrectly modeled the Mig-23’s turn rate because the devs themselves made a mistake in implementing it. I guess they too should not touch flight models with the way this conversation is going.

He also keeps claiming RideR2’s reports are “dubious quality” despite never having done any flight model reports himself, so it is bad-faith of him to judge exactly what is good quality or not.

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I don’t see how the Mig 23ML, MLA, and MLD would be 11.7br worthy considering it has only 2 good missiles (R24Rs and Ts), and good flight performance. The F-14A is currently 11.7br and it has slightly better flight performance, better radar, while having more and better missiles, and has a better gun. Heck the F4EJ Kai at 11.7br while having worse flight performance still has better missiles, better radar, better RWR, better gun, and more missiles.

For the mig 23ML variants to be even 11.7br, you would need to give them R-73s

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I’ve noticed this behavior. I’ve bug reported planes and missiles from all nations but due to the nature of this being an English speaking forum full of pro-Swede players some of my NATO reports got quite a lot of criticism. This is very common for bug reporters to be harassed and scrutinized when discrepancies that yield nerfs are reported.

Obviously the inverse is true on Russian forum.

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Ummm, they buffed r60s, either I’m hallucinating or it ignored 60+ flares

Video? Cuz no changes that I’ve seen

Have you been bouncing between a few different airframes recently?

Some things like the F-5s can defeat any IR missile in game with a few flares and no effort. Meanwhile other aircraft, like some of the harriers, have to put in a stupid amount of effort to defeat older missiles.

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GJ also played with flare emissions some time ago.
Sinc then they take time to reach full “brightness” and differ in emission spectrum and intensity.
They basically added 3rd flare variant - small, for some of the CM pods

wait what???
share!!!
:crying face emoji:

I knew they nukes BOL into the ground

Is Russia gonna get a new top tier premium this update? I don’t see how this is gonna be a good thing for ppl wanting to grind USSR

Again, wait for it to happen and see
I am sure it won’t be as bad as people make it seem to be, ofc the worst sticks on better but still

Mig-23ML is Rank 7. If any new things are Rank 9. (which is possible) then it wouldnt be any good anyway. Besides it soviet. Will always be over-tuned and good.

But yes, they probably will get a new top tier premium this update

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They really need a 11.3 premium, Germany does as well.

To quote a respondant here, wait for it to happen and see.

Although a new MiG-29 premium would be very pleasant to see

Japan needs it the most imo…

problem is, what should it be?

Japan already has an 11.0 premium iirc, Germany and Russia need something to make their top tier as bad as the US’.