MiG-23 Nerf Discussion

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  • have they even nerfed the plane yet? says fixed but no datamine,s etc
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I dont think so. Im guessing now it will drop as part of the next major update as we are relatively close to it

Makes sense

i think its a bruh

What if the Don’t nerf the Mig but instead buff it for some dumb reason? now would that not be hell.

Could come before, could come with

ahh okay.

heard mld wont really change that much, witch makes me happy :)

That makes me unhappy. Was kinda looking forward to this nerf. Level the playing field a bit for aircraft like the FGR2 at the same BR

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i can understand your point of view. mld is one of my favorite planes.

i would be fine if they moved it up to 11.7 and gave it its r-73,s

Im surprised its not 11.7 with its current loadout to be honest.

At the very least, It should be 11.7 in SB. A lot of 11.3s are 11.7 in SB except the MLD. Kinda annoying. We’ll have to wait and see what affect this change actually has. But even just things like the Mig-23MLs getting nerfed a bit will help. They already have the wrong BR in SB (MLA which I think is identical is 0.3 BR higher than the ML) and are a bit of menace and more common than the MLDs


I would take anything RideR2 says with deep suspicion as it has become clear that the information he is claiming in his reports is incorrect and that the “tests” that he claims to have run are faulty. It’s clear that he is simply spamming these reports on these planes in an attempt to be annoying and ruin the game for others. As you can see in the images I’ve attached, his testing is clearly not up to par, and his motivation for doing the report is clearly not for the betterment of the game, and rather to frustrate others. Thankfully, the devs have responded to his reports denying his claims.

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What his motivation is has nothing to do with the merit of the report. If 1+1 =2 is true, then it does not matter who is saying it or what their motivations may be behind the statement.

Also, Gaijin devs will do their own testing and come to their own conclusions rather than accepting his results. They will look at the materials and then examine it for themselves.

I advise you to not keep getting butthurt over this.


I advise you to see the fact that he is lying about his testing and that the devs have responded to at least half of his reports disputing his tests. Considering that he is deliberately misrepresenting his tests and results from said tests, it’s clear that his report does not have merit.


This. As long as the performance matches reliable information the motivation behind it is a moot point.

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Again, his testing does not matter. The devs look at the material or the manuals first, and then come to their own conclusions. So even if he ran faulty tests, the materials he presented are correct and valid. Sometimes he does the tests right, sometimes he doesn’t. The devs do not require that the reports has correct testing, only correct materials.

At the end of the day, Gaijin will implement what the manuals say, and not what the bug reporters say. In that case, it does not matter what he says.

RideR2 explained that his tests explicitly did not match the IRL charts which adds a level of inaccuracy, even if flaps perform wrong that could be adjusted for if he had done the testing properly. Flaps also reduce performance in a sustained turn so he’s already made a false conclusion that it should perform better with flaps than without. Therefore, his tests are fundamentally flawed and incorrect. As such, they do not have merit. His motivation for doing this casts even further doubt on the veracity of his reports.

How many times does it need to be said? The testing does not matter. Only the material does.

If the plane’s manual says plane does 15 degrees a second, RideR’s ingame testing shows 20 degrees a second, and dev’s ingame testing shows 18 degrees a second, Gaijin will still correct the plane to 15 degrees. What matters is what the manuals say.

His tests are wrong. The manual he provided is not. The devs will interpret the data themselves and can make the flaps match the charts as required.

Edit: I’m fairly certain the only reason he does the ingame tests is because they will not accept a report without showing a discrepancy ingame, same as all bug reports.


Yes, but if you look at his reports all of them are based around his “tests” with half of them not having any sort of manual or other source to back up his claims. You can see in F-16A ADF, Su-17M4, and MiG-23ML reports do not have any actual sources to back them up. Even the reports he has submitted other sources for don’t even back up his claims.

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This is correct, Gaijin requires people to do SOME kind of testing, even if the testing isn’t perfect, so that they aren’t wasting their time on things that haven’t been vetted by a tech mod first.

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