USSR also has 2 13.3 arh slingers. Im not trying to disagree with you but just tryna put it out there. MiG-29 9-13 is okayish, so is the MLD and to an extent the jak-41. Additionally I feel that it would be okay for the su-39 to get its r77s (its pretty bad in air rb and if av8 can get it so should su-39).
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I dont know how the 9.13 is with the new manouver mode but before i would have called that thing slightly below average but the first plane after the 21SMT to be worth grinding. It had 2 shots and that was it, bad fm and whatever the fuck the R60m wants to be after said 2 shots. i could see it, with 73s as somewhat of an equivalent for the soviets (13.0 if it keeps ER) but also, not really. For the 13.3 ARH bois i have to say that both are really not well suitet for Air RB. Th 29SMT has an awful fm, and only 6 missiles and the Su34 is a lot better fw wise but also not something competitive. It at least gets a high missile count to make up for it but falls short because it lacks HMD, loosing the only advantage of the R73 and R77. Both arent worth playing/grinding with the Su27SM just one step higher. For the MLD and Yak id say that they are suprisingly playable compared to the rest of the options you get at Rank 7, but also not really competitive. I have to disagree with R77s on the Su25 tho, it makes sense for Air RB, but it would really create a hole in the cas lineup below toptier, and also ruin the Su25 for ground rb entirely, as it would have to be 12.7 (in GRB) without thermals/Kh38, on a subsonic, sluggish platform.
Major -1 from me at the moment. As far as I’m aware, it’s just flat out not real (unless it can be proven otherwise, which is why I’m posting this). All the sources you’ve provided are not primary, but rather websites which cannot be used by gaijin as sources, and images which are considered secondary sources. They are however valid for making suggestions on the War Thunder forums, so there’s nothing wrong with making a suggestion for this, even if the aircraft proposed just isn’t real or lacks a lot of information about the vehicle (cough cough the Object 640).
From what I could tell when I read into this myself she back, this was simply a MiG-23MLD that was dressed up pretty for display purposes to demonstrate the idea of a “modernized” MiG-23 being able to use such weaponry. It was an export venture by the Mikoyan Design Bureau that never created a single functional prototype. As far as I can tell, it was never fitted with a new radar, and never made compatible with newer radar guided missiles such as the R-27 and R-77, but the R-73 is still a compatible weapon as it was used by late serving USSR MiG-23s even. As for the R-27T and ET, couldn’t tell ya. I again have no documentation detailing efforts to integrate such weaponry into a MiG-23 (let alone the one here), no documentation detailing efforts to integrate a new Radar (even if it did exist on its own), and no documentation detailing efforts to install and integrate a new HMD system. You should reasonably ask yourself where these sites got their information from, and I’ve concluded it was from specifications and proposed enhancements that were planned/stated by the company behind this as a part of the proposed program, but not anything that was applied to any existing aircraft or testbed. As such, I’ve concluded this to be a program, not a plane, as it never truly produced anything. If it did, there’s a lack of evidence to support it, especially as has been stated here and seen online.
This is as far as I’m aware, this suggestion is for a Fake Plane.
(I would love to be proven wrong however, as I would love to have a souped up MiG-23 fixing all my gripes with the plane, and HMD on a flogger thing would be so lovely. However even if it turns out to be a real prototype, no where have i seen it mention the possibility of a new planned RWR, making for quite the issue with an ARH capable aircraft, as has been noted on the Ja37Di. Would make for a great counterpart to the bison as a Russian premium with its tradeoffs if it turns out to be a real prototype, but I have little hope for that as I’ve shared above.)
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First with US one, since Italian didn’t have ARHs before that.
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+1
Ideally tech tree, but I think they’ll add it as the rank 8 premium
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We should get pack in next update related to MiG-23.
- MiG-23S in tech tree and MiG-23MS as premium (maybe as premium in China as we would have too much MiG-23 in Soviet TT - China got one MiG-23MS from Egypt)
- all currect MiG-23 fix radar: Community Bug Reporting System
- add 2x R-73 to MiG-23MLD and increase BR to fill gap
- add MiG-23P to replace MLD on current BR
- add MiG-23-98 as premium to top tier
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Here is a suggestion idea for you: Ye-231
Don’t forget the MiG-23S for Germany as well!
And I wish we could have a TT MF. Locking such a critical vehicle behind an event was crazy, same story with the F-4F early. Both left gaping TT holes.
The MiG-23s 100% need more representation, and even more so to be unnerfed and moved back up
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MiG-23S was a horrible jet, even worse than the MS. Although, if suggested specifically for East Germany, it could work.
Worse than the MS is wild lol
It has been suggested, here
And how do you figure it’s much worse? Seems to be essentially the same to me.
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For regular tech tree to early rank VIII before MiG-29 (9-13), maybe.
I suppose the early aircraft pre-order premium rank VIII for soviet/russia might be MiG-23-98-2 or MiG-23-98-3
Thats why it should be on low BR.
What I read Ye-231 didnt have radar at all:
Edit: ah sorry I made wrong conclusion…Ye-231 what you mean is third prototype and not first one. Third prototype got radar.
But that would be better to use serial version than prototype (Ye-231 went into serial production under name MiG-23 (iz.23-11) (Flogger A) with little changes):
Question is what is better as counterpart to F-4C:
MiG-23 (iz.23-11) (Flogger A)
MiG-23S (iz.23-21) (Flogger A)
I think that first MiG-23 with Saphire-23 may be problematic to balance mainly when radar will be fixed. It will be practically PD radar with pretty decent missiles on trash plane without countermeasures (maximally S-5P/S-8P chaffs).
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The MiG-23S would definitely be a counterpart and competitor to the F-4C, but not an equivalent. The two are very different aircraft.
The F-4C has twice as many missiles and good radar missiles. It’s also quite heavy. The MiG-23S has great IR missiles and much better flight performance, but lacks long-range capability.
A closer equivalent might be an Su-15 variant.
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Su-15 have R-60. Its not very close to F-4C.
The TM model does. I mean something like the Su-15T.
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These grey missiles from second row looks like miniature of 3M8, from 2K11 Krug xD
Yeah but Su-15T have only two missile from K-8 family (hard to say how effective they would be) compared to 8 missiles on F-4C. MiG-23S have less missiles but better ones. Its not equivalent to F-4C as you write but its pretty close with some thing better and some worse.
It’s not. The MS is an M with the weapons systems of the S. S was a mechanical nightmare, very poor performance. M fixed most of the issues. S also has a different tail shape to the MS. Plus, MS was modified to carry 2 R-13M missile.
You can read my MS suggestion here: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23MS Flogger-E. The Forgotten Flogger
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