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Ideally tech tree, but I think they’ll add it as the rank 8 premium
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We should get pack in next update related to MiG-23.
- MiG-23S in tech tree and MiG-23MS as premium (maybe as premium in China as we would have too much MiG-23 in Soviet TT - China got one MiG-23MS from Egypt)
- all currect MiG-23 fix radar: Community Bug Reporting System
- add 2x R-73 to MiG-23MLD and increase BR to fill gap
- add MiG-23P to replace MLD on current BR
- add MiG-23-98 as premium to top tier
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Here is a suggestion idea for you: Ye-231
Don’t forget the MiG-23S for Germany as well!
And I wish we could have a TT MF. Locking such a critical vehicle behind an event was crazy, same story with the F-4F early. Both left gaping TT holes.
The MiG-23s 100% need more representation, and even more so to be unnerfed and moved back up
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MiG-23S was a horrible jet, even worse than the MS. Although, if suggested specifically for East Germany, it could work.
Worse than the MS is wild lol
It has been suggested, here
And how do you figure it’s much worse? Seems to be essentially the same to me.
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For regular tech tree to early rank VIII before MiG-29 (9-13), maybe.
I suppose the early aircraft pre-order premium rank VIII for soviet/russia might be MiG-23-98-2 or MiG-23-98-3
Thats why it should be on low BR.
What I read Ye-231 didnt have radar at all:
Edit: ah sorry I made wrong conclusion…Ye-231 what you mean is third prototype and not first one. Third prototype got radar.
But that would be better to use serial version than prototype (Ye-231 went into serial production under name MiG-23 (iz.23-11) (Flogger A) with little changes):
Question is what is better as counterpart to F-4C:
MiG-23 (iz.23-11) (Flogger A)
MiG-23S (iz.23-21) (Flogger A)
I think that first MiG-23 with Saphire-23 may be problematic to balance mainly when radar will be fixed. It will be practically PD radar with pretty decent missiles on trash plane without countermeasures (maximally S-5P/S-8P chaffs).
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The MiG-23S would definitely be a counterpart and competitor to the F-4C, but not an equivalent. The two are very different aircraft.
The F-4C has twice as many missiles and good radar missiles. It’s also quite heavy. The MiG-23S has great IR missiles and much better flight performance, but lacks long-range capability.
A closer equivalent might be an Su-15 variant.
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Su-15 have R-60. Its not very close to F-4C.
The TM model does. I mean something like the Su-15T.
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These grey missiles from second row looks like miniature of 3M8, from 2K11 Krug xD
Yeah but Su-15T have only two missile from K-8 family (hard to say how effective they would be) compared to 8 missiles on F-4C. MiG-23S have less missiles but better ones. Its not equivalent to F-4C as you write but its pretty close with some thing better and some worse.
It’s not. The MS is an M with the weapons systems of the S. S was a mechanical nightmare, very poor performance. M fixed most of the issues. S also has a different tail shape to the MS. Plus, MS was modified to carry 2 R-13M missile.
You can read my MS suggestion here: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23MS Flogger-E. The Forgotten Flogger
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Reliability isn’t modelled in-game, and the German MiG-23S also carried R-13M and R-3R. What, performance-wise, do you see as a significant difference?
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I’d say the performance difference is very difficult to calculate without getting the exact specifications of each jet.
The engine on the MS was slightly newer, although I am not sure if it had better performance.
I’d say they are plus minus equal.
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Yeah ok
Worse engine, older type of wings without reinforcement so it can pull less G with differenet aerodynamic elements and angles, conical radome instead of ogival and many more. Its pretty significant difference. You can check Ruslet for all differences which was made.
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