MiG-19 has one of the best flight models for its BR in the game. It’s uncatchable by any subsonic AND it out-dogfights every subsonic that isn’t an Ariete.
You literally can’t lose in this when facing any subsonic. You also can’t lose any dogfight against any SUPERsonic either. It has excellent climb rate, acceleration, thrust to weight, turn rate, etc. The ONLY thing the MiG-19 doesn’t demolish pretty much every plane it faces (even in full uptiers) in flight model wise is that it only barely breaks mach at sea level…but it still breaks mach, which is something barely any planes at 9.0 or below are doing.
This is because they TURN INSANELY WELL even at HIGH SPEED. You are literally listing a pro, not a con.
Learn to neg-G to counteract this in turns. Pretty much fully invalidates what you’re saying.
Expert your crews in jets.
This is just a bad take. They aren’t as high velocity as they used to be but they aren’t BAD velocity and they do LOTS of damage in my experience. Adens aren’t that hard to lead either.
You have to be ragebaiting. Name any 9.0 jet that can take a MiG-19 on.
The MiG-19 is literally the only jet where this is a problem. Thats not a good thing
Its the combined low velocity, terrible spread and terrible damage. Not just the low velocity. If it was something like a Gsh-23 that would be okay, theyre easy to aim, do heaps of damage and have a higher firerate and more ammo, but they are worse in every way but maybe accuracy
G. 91 at 8.7 has a pretty fair chance, so does the MiG-15Bis, I dont play the US so idk what they have, I main Britain. MiG-19s are easy kills for me whenever I play Britain, although I dont have any 9.0s that are dogfighters afaik.
What other jet REQUIRES you to have an expert/aced crew
Dude blacking out every four seconds is never a good thing. And no you cant just spam “neg g”
First off you’re not taking into account the skill differences, I am a prop player not a jet player I am still learning. Secondly what do you have to say about me finding them easy to kill in something like a Hunter or something lmao. Without SRAAMs too. Unless every other player just has a skill issue
MiG-15 has working cannons plus a better sustained
No it isnt. Its reasonably speedy which paired with its VTOL can allow for some funny things. Yeah the VTOL only activates at around 300 kph but its so funny to backflip on top of people and sling an R-60 at them
All the MiG-19 needs to do to win any fight it gets into is go vertical. Nothing can contest it here, not even the supersonics at it’s own tier, as they bleed so much speed in manuevers that the MiG out energies them pretty handily. That’s it. Just go vertical, drain any poor sap who tries to fight you of all their energy, then onetap them while they’re stalled out and falling out of the air. It’s not a quick fight, but it’s one the MiG cannot really lose unless the pilot is braindead.
You want to pick a jet with some of the worst energy retention at the tier (Only beaten by the French and A-4E), to fight the god king of energy? Do I have that right? If the G/91 sticks the fight, he’s out of energy by the second loop and stalling out at the top of the third.
The MiG-15 Bis is basically just a MiG-19 but worse in every way that matters.
You forget that nobody is genuinely dumb enough to follow that
No, as I said it has a better sustained, slightly worse instantaneous AOA but better cannons, yes a worse roll rate but its not like you’re going to rolling scissors with a MiG-15
All of them beyond 7.0 BR if you want to actually be competitive.
Waaah my plane turns too well
Yes you can.
Cop out.
Misinformation.
No it doesn’t, MiG-19 curb stomps MiG-15 in all regards.
NR-30s are better than NR-23/37s.
yes it is.
It’s slower than MiG-19.
VTOL does nothing for you. Any non-idiot will massacre you the moment you start trying to viff. The Yak-38 is terrible at VIFFing even if this was a viable tactic.
None of this matters. the S also doesnt have missiles and the 19PT still does everything I said.
97% versus 90% apparently isn’t a close enough skill level to where we can 1v1 and disprove all your theories… if the G.91 or 15bis was anywhere near as good as MiG-19 you would be able to get any kills on me. You would not be able to. I would go 100-0.
I find this highly unlikely but even so. You’re telling me you’ve NEVER died to anything under the MiG-19s battle rating? NEVER died to a G.91 or a MiG-15?
I play the A-5C often, which is a much heavier MiG-19 (after adding fuel) with more thrust (around 1-1.3 ton heavier after fuel (20% or so) for 15% more thrust, even at 10.7 its flight model does well (only really F-5s completely outdo you, and MiG-23s give you a run for your money)
Having played the MiG-19S a lot, and touched on the MiG-19PT (still quite stock) they are extremely good in their flight performance, they need to go back to 9.7 if anything (most 9.3 supersonics should be 9.7 atleast)
Their flight performance much outscales their opponents, and MiG-19s are some of, if not THE best energy fighters BR for BR
yes you need to temper your turns to not G-LOC, but that means your going too fast, best way to reduce speed without wasting energy? climb. and by god does the MiG-19 climb well
if you’re diving on someone you control the circumstances, you can control your speed (unless its a fellow supersonic, at which point all they can do is run anyway)
the NR-30s are guns that work perfectly well. Yes there are better guns, no these are no Mk.108,
I would take NR-23s over NR-30 just for the increased ammo (if i had the choice, which i don’t)
Poor power to weight, very easy to energy trap
locks up at any speed the MiG-19 occupies, less easy to energy trap, but is still fully inferior to the MiG-19, the MiG-15 is not capable of pulling shots of opportunity with mediocre muzzle velocity, and mediocre pitch rate+ AoA (~10 degrees of AoA vs MiG-19s 15+ at the same speeds)
And if you end up on the wrong side of an engagement? you have the acceleration, top speed, energy retention, and climb rate to disengage with ease
The only Subsonics that can even think of rivalling the MiG-19s acceleration is the Scimitar F.1 (that can’t aim its guns for love nor money), and ariete (which nothing should dogfight it to begin with, just use your speed)
Hunter, at least, more may come to mind
N-37D is too low rate of fire to consider, and has a lower muzzle velocity than the NR-30 by a whole 90m/s, though a hit is almost always a garunteed kill
NR-23 only has 50 rpm faster fire rate (6% more, bassically irrelevant), and the same 90m/s lower muzzle velocity
MiG-19 can just 1) run away, 2) climb when a MiG-15 is at those speeds,
and as Normandy has said, you can just neg G for 1 second to stop the blackout, the MiG-19 will just accelerate during that time, making you even harder to catch
if you are going too fast and diving on someone, the Airbrake does exist
by 300kg
taking less fuel and learning proper fuel management can easily make up that weight difference, in other cases, it is literally just the same as the MiG-19PT Except it loses the 2 R-3S missiles, which can come in quite useful
I’m telling you, that in a 1v1, with no third parties, you would not be able to ever kill me unless I allowed it. However, I would always kill you, regardless of what you attempted to do.
Thats the only thing ive found it useful in, climbing above people and then getting into a furball but despite going negative G it will still black out. No I’m not buying an expert crew when I dont have a premium account. I just cannot afford it for something that I rarely ever play.
I mean yes but because of how much it compresses its not that great. I find it shines best when I use altitude to zoom into a furball, then go vertical to come behind an enemy. Actually trying to boom and zoom anything is pointless as the rudder is nonexistent
They feel more like an exact copy of the Mk 103 to me
It is but it also has better dogfighting capability outside of that, especially with the much faster roll rate
I guess so but it doesnt really match my very prop-centred playstyle of diving in, sticking to the furball then coming out on top through sheer maneuverability and gunnery
I only use the F.6 and I love it, however I dont really dogfight in that, its not a dogfighter imo
Doesnt really work without an expert crew
Personally I find they dont do enough to slow me down
I mean its a significant amount, especially if youre both already going with small fuel amounts, and allows it to hang in the air for longer which as Normandy (I think) said the vertical is where it shines. I probably overreacted a bit asking for a downtier, I was a little bit ticked off that my cannons always seem to spark (albeit with default belts) but I feel like the MiG-19 just isnt the best platform for them, the SU-7 feels much better suited to the weapon (yes I know its a worse dogfighter). I dont really know what I’m doing wrong but I just cant make it work. Kinda like how I cant get the Sabres to work and I find them absolutely horrendous to even touch
MiG-19 wins every single dogfight with every single subsonic in the game besides Ariete by simple spiral climbing.
Your issue.
Expert crew is required for competitiveness above 7.0.
“my jet has too much thrust!!!” (lower your throttle…)
Not enough to change anything about the playstyle. They both do the same thing to the same planes.
The F-86s are all universally undertiered in WT besides the CL13 Mk4. Literally every single one of them besides the CL13 Mk4 are undertiered aka OVERpowered.
