If most 14.7s were placed at 15.0, and the very best (like Rafale with fixed MICAs) were placed at 15.3:
1: 13.7 would no longer face Rafale.
2: 14.0 would no longer face Rafale.
3: most 14.3s, those which remained there, would only face up to 4x Rafales in worst case scenarios.
I would say that changes a lot.
Specially if AIM-120C-5 and AIM-120D get fixed as well, which would be the main idea here.
Oh no Rafale win rate went below 60 percent for 2 months. Please buff Gaijin…the increased battery life Aim-120 is too strong!
The rafale would not be alone at 15.0. The SM2 is definitely a plane that would benefit from a higher BR. Nothing feels better than being in a 13.7 plane and having to evade 5 or 6 r-77-1 seconds after taking off.
Not to mention, something that is often left out, is that the R-77-1, in my experience, tends to loft more against low altitude targets and is harder to multipath due to its trajectory (it’s not helped by the fact that the SU30SM2 for some reason has an insane spawn speed compared to basically everyone else and climbs very fast thanks to this)
I agree. I’ve seen so many people coming about the MICA, have the AIM120 a try with the f16am, and it’s nowhere near as bad as many people make it look (at least at 13.7). Comparing it to the Mirage 2000-5F experience at 14.0, I’ve personally felt that about 80-90% of my kills I could do with either missiles. Meaning « only » 1 to 2 out of 10 kills where thanks to the high offbore of the MICA (in a BR where I play much more defensively due to the uptiers being more difficult, and the mirage 2000 having a worse FM in my opinion). And the f16am does not have radar HMD.
This still makes the Aim120 worse overall, but not nearly as much as some people make it seem (and many probably haven’t played the MICA either I guess).
That’s also my personal belief. The AIM120 needs to have its strengths get better, if its main weakness can’t be fixed (better seeker, since HOBS reports seems to go nowhere). But, that doesn’t stops other missiles to get better in parallel. I’m also thinking of the derby which could very much profit from significant buffs.
Seeing how the SM2s DL channels just got halfed I doubt we will see as much R-77-1 spam in the initial joust (if the change goes live).
One one hand, it will definitely make individual su30sm2 a lot less dangerous, on the other hand, with lobbies being a third to half filled with them, I think this will be mitigated by having su30sm2 firing their 4 initial missiles at different targets rather than all of them firing at everyone simultaneously.
And I’ve heard the radar UI changes makes it easier to see which ally is shooting who.
This will probably be a nerf that impacts « lower skill » player more, but it’s still a nerf for everyone in the end, that’s true
any missile truck should be a bit of a higher sl cost imo its not very fair
To my knowedge it was said on RU forum by their CM that it is a mistake and only the MKM will get channels halved (since it is the exported version and N011R is specifically an export designation).
We will see in a few days if that is so.
We are mostly talking Air RB as of now, which doesn’t feature SP cost.
Overall, I’m personally of the opinion that Fox 3 AAM SP costs should be reduced in ground RB. Them having the same price as laser CAS loadout doesn’t fit right with me.
So, it wouldn’t change my initial point. Sad that the parity between the Russian and Japanese top tier won’t be kept tho
ohhh sorry. Is the su30sm and sm2 etc even capable of carrying that many damn r77s irl? only jet ive seen photos with was the f15ex as a missile truck
Not theyre not
Gaijin needs to remove the loadout for su30s then just not fair
Well.
The current Max loadout is 14 R77 and 2 r73
That’s using 2 double pylons between the engines. IRL, only the SU35 is proven to have these pylons. Smin showed a « double pylon » on a su27 once, but the picture is low res and there’s a mistake between that being a double pylon and the fact that it’s a reflection on the air intake in reality. So this double pylon thing is very iffy for the SU27-30 family, and only the 35 should have it. And this plane is not yet in the game
So the real max loadout should be 12 + 2
It is what it is. Atleast the ceiling has been practically reached for Russian 4th gen aviation outside of missiles, and that the Su-35S can’t have more missiles or a better radar than the already existing Su-30SM. Flight model allegedly should be very close as well. The Su-35S platform should although add MAWS.
As much as I believe AIM-120s should be fixed, I already made my peace on the apparent fact that Gaijin simply believes they’re glorified sticks with plastic fins.
Following that conclusion, they have condemned the AIM-120 series to mediocrity, and involuntarily dragging a lot of missiles to underperformance to try to even things out. And yes, this includes the MICA among other blufor ordnance like the Derby and the placeholder AAM-4s.
And it’s obviously nothing personal with french players like at all (You can check my profile out, i’ve tested and played my Rafales among Leclercs which I already made a thread complaining about its unfair and overkill model) but I believe there’s no reason for the MICAs to receive a substantial buff on its range while its still a very good missile for short-medium ranges, with even a plausible BVR potential when launched from a platform above M1.6+.
The Rafale airframe is excellent to react and notch, its acceleration is godly and, with a few clicks, you can chain up a good amount of close quarter kills unreasonably easily compared to other vehicles on the same situation with even missiles like the AIM-120A or the R-77-1.
Time to slide an uncomfortable truth: Gaijin doesn’t want a proper peer to the R-77-1. I hope everyone learns to eventually make its own peace with that.
They should learn to make their peace with slamming gaijin until they reverse their stance on updating other missiles to R-77-1 level.
Top BR is still horrible and 95% of the stuff there is basically unplayable from bad modeling, selective realism or stupid unnecessary buffs (Su-30SM2 lmao) and if gaijin wants to keep pushing top tier as the ultimate level they can’t just artificially elevate one side over all others
They will always find a way to place Russia on top, at least for conventional circumstances. BVVD cried on the BUK being the worst SPAA (it clearly isn’t) and so a vehicle literally fielded LAST YEAR was added to “compensate”.
They model the LMUR flight path correctly while most of other AGMs don’t have a modelled flight path, they elaborate extra variants of an already sketchy missile such as the Kh-38. They added the R-27ER when they realized the AIM-7M booster was giving the missile a game-dictating status, and turned a problem into one of the most egregious imbalances between SARH peers in WTs air record.
Do I need to continue? R-77-1s are the benchmark missile, they balance everything around it. And before it, it was the R-77 (Yes, even when the MICA and the Rafale dominated for three uncontested months before the Su-30SM arrived, and even after it, the MICAs still dominated, albeit with some competition from Russia and some of the EFs, and the F-15E before them).
It took then over 2 years to add a Russian top tier aircraft that was meta defining. And arguably the Rafale is still the best in a lot of situations that aren’t LARPing as the Iron Dome.
While the Su-30SM was not meta defining (Rafale obvs being the meta), it was certainly a solid contender with a strong kit, AESA (while most of nations still had mechs) and a decent (not excellent, nor amazing) flight model to make use of its kit.
The Su-30SM2 was just the logical next step on an update where the AESAphoons had to arrive.
Yet that doesn’t rule out there’s an increasing amount of evidence that Gaijin is pivoting to balance the game around Russia to some relevant degree.
mica is still best missile.
having a slightly smaller fov means you have to waste more chaff when defeating it.
For mica I usually need to use like 5-7 chaff while for r-77-1 I have to use around 2-3 chaff
plus mica can be fired more off bore than r77-1, but that only matters for dogfights and only like sub 3-4 km is when difference is noticable or at super low speed
Yep, back in the day the Lorraine 40T cost 24K SL to repair (a non premium player kill would net about 2K SL to the player).
(Not) fun times
