This is the second or third ranking video that placed Eurofighter above Rafale interestingly @MythicPi
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I mean honestly it’s not really an argument to show such a video, i don’t know him and even if he was good in air i don’t think i care.
What is an argument is that the point of this game is to be as realistic as possible and as long as something is not game breaking (brimstone is a good example as it would auto lock targets, be really hard to defeat and it would teamkill too) or would have totally different performance compared to what is currently in game (for example adding meteor missile into the game with what we have now).
So my point is that the mica for sure is good at close range and can also do bvr while being behind the aim120 but it is not in any way too op and so does not deserve a nerf to start with.
r77-1 is a good comparison to it, as far as i understand it will do a 80km shot max by being launched from the su30sm and so a 50km optimal launch is possible like the aim120.
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R-77-1 is a good comparison yes since it’s also on a dogfighting thrust-vectoring platform that utilizes R-73 and R-27ET, so no one can really say that plane doesn’t excel in both BVR and WVR.
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Shouldn’t that be essentially the upper limit of AoA-limiter off + TVC maneuvering before you end up tearing your own wings off?
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- Already stated we could go back and forth finding videos that “confirm” our positions from the opinions of other players. The opinions are split on the jets atm and so you can find tons of people in either camp.
- This youtuber does not have the Rafale or EFT (he does however have more experience with different top tier hets than you)
- This youtuber states some blatantly wrong things about the EFT, such as claiming it has 8x AIM-120’s, which if it were true would make it a substantially stronger aircraft.
- He literally states many argue the Rafale is the better aircraft, he just thinks otherwise.
- Not exactly one of the “largest youtubers” like you originally claimed with his 379 subs.
Having played the eurofighter on the dev server a fair bit. the radar isnt fixed per se, but it is a lot better to use. you can actually use the 148km mode without it refusing to update because a scan took so long. Imo the eurofighter already was the strongest overall plane in the game so now its just stronger.
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Better range until your enemy actually reacts to your missile and starts maneuvering.
MICA also has thrust vectoring.
It clearly isn’t.
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Slightly Lower range than aim 120(against a maneuvering target) and slightly less wvr ability than Mica. So what you mean to say is the most versatile and overall best missile with the most usable profile and 12 to sling.
NATO mains are somewhat overhyping it in direct opposition to the Russian mains continuing to try and downplay just how good it is. As if their existence will end if they admit they have something truly good.
It’s genuinely comical to watch.
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Mica is vaslty superior in WVR though because of tvc?
Also the r-77s (both base and 77-1) drag would mean it loses a lot more speed vs an aim-120 in bvr.
It’s definitely a good upgrade over the base 77
It is a sizable upgrade over base r77. It has slightly less range than an aim120. It has slightly less WVR capability and HOBs capability than mica. It is not vastly inferior.
It is now the most versatile missile. It’s like having all B+’s in your classes instead of acing one and failing another.
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I don’t think the range is just slightly less in real gameplay. This is at 5km altitude firing at the target 40km away and R-77-1 will reach the target ~1.5s faster. The problem is, this graph is valid for non-maneuvering targets which doesn’t really apply to real gameplay. Also, start speed was the same for both missiles while we know AIM-120 carriers will easily outspeed the Su-30SM. That extra drag really kills the performance outside of looking at graphs.
At shorter ranges, let’s say 15km, R-77-1 will still beat 120/MICA to target by like 0.8s and 0.4s respectively (all with same start speed), that is if the target is afk the whole time which isn’t that realistic. MICA also has thrust vectoring and is definitely better at short ranges than anything else.
The problem is, AIM-120 definitely isn’t failing and is being decent (or on par with R-77-1) at 15km.
To me it looks like R-77-1 is finally something good enough for RU that’s worth launching at something over 10km away. This reminds me of the whole R-27ER fear mongering situation, but at least that missile was actually by far the best thing out there. Seems like many people got lulled in by the fact RU had nothing competitive for months, so actually getting some competition might wake them up.
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If thats true then AIM120 would be the shitest fox3
The G limit on 120 is bad enough already. Besides for the sake of year, is MiCa Em released , US would have 120c or D
Mica missing range is act of balance
The more range u have the less pull u get and the oppsite
g limit for ranges past 5km don’t matter the missile is more limited by its airspeed than by its overload at long range
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True “Trust me bro gguy” you are. MICA EM released in 1996 AIM 120D was only in development in 2010 or so and AIM120C-5 which is the one with enhanced range is more of a 2000+ missile than a late 90s one so you just cope there mate.
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Out of curiosity where would a Pl-12 from a J-11B land in that lineup? Curious on AAM4 and Derby as well
Ill try to remember getting to this when i get home, but alternatively you can check on statshark :)
aim 120c-5 is a 2000 missile, aim120d started production 2007. aim120c-5 and mica em are by all accounts contemporaries. 4 years of difference isnt relevant.
In that case MICA EM is just as much as a contemporary to the AIM120A and Bs that were introduced barely 5 years before it so the current situation in WT is fine.
pretty much agree on the whole front