I’m not native to English(nor am i an Israeli), and in my culture assumptions are not frowned upon, and from my time searching for info on Reddit and such, i’ve seen a good amount of comments suggesting that it shouldn’t’ve been added in the first place, which reeked of racism and at times even questioned the statehood. I can’t read minds, but I can try to presume things based off of my prior experience. The text that I replied to came off to me as hostile for little reason, and I presumed the latter. I’m not one of them certain Americans who take any small negativity as racism. With that said it’s probably good idea to get back to the topic of the thread, instead of saying that Israel is copy-paste or any other thing that took place in here that is outside of the topic at hand.
You really counterdict yourself by what you’re supposedly aren’t, by how you’re acting.
The fact you got offended and an Israeli didn’t ,
You end up disproving the point you try to make.
not really fact but is it? as the majority of those “copy paste” are actually different xD
not exactly pleasant is it mate, and yes calling a nation irrelevant kind of is racist VS that nation xD
As well as if you even google it, saying a nation is irrelevant is generally considered as either racist, xenophobic or discriminatory.
Saying their irrelevant is extremely dismissive xD which in turn leans into the racism of it.
Who said they’re offended.
I ain’t, but I will point out as an English teacher your use of vocabulary is either extremely specific to try and dismiss the Isreali tree or is just extremely poor.
they basically admitted it?? :/
you keep making me repeat myself. yes, yes they are lmao.
again, thats just a fact you cant grasp.
again youre one of the very few who thinks so, either way not my fault you cant handle a simple fact. :)
now quite bothering me. thanks :D
They literally said the opposite but pop off lad.
you’ve yet to actually repeat as to the why that’s the reason why I keep telling you they’re bloody not xD I’ve got almost every vehicle in the tree, hell in teh game nearly.
The Isreal patton series vary from BR to BR, bar the very first 2 the megach 1 and 2 are near enough teh same with difference only in teh engines.
I can handle facts, what is stupid is plums like you making dumbass statements trying to get a rise out of people. The tree’s not irrelevant in game at all.
You’re the muppet throwing random ass statements which are vague enough to be taken as xenophobic at worst and dismissive at best out there. What do you expect?
You’ve never used the isreali tanks, Hell you’ve barely played any tanks in the game yet are here to say which are irrelevant?
get a grip.
Not trying to be devil’s advocate in here but aside from Sabra, Ra’am Sagol and couple unique designs most of them are pretty much C&P tanks with minor differences.
There is a reason why Magach meme is still popular.
Not really copy and paste but as there are distinct differences, access to ERA, betterFCS, better engines, better rounds etc.
The original ones sure, the megach 1 and 2 and I’d say the 2 variants of the megach 3 which are what 8.0 are C&P, but the higher up you go, they’re different tanks, megach 6 being based off the M60 while there are others based off the M48s.
For him, one who’s never played the tree to say the tree is irrelevant and shouldn’t of been added is a complete joke.
Am I saying these tanks are 100 percent unique and completely different from the previous?
No.
Is the T90M that much different from the T90A?
The 2A5 from the 2PSO, or the 2A6 from the 7.
You can marganilise all of it, 2A7 is just a less mobile more armoured 2A6.
M1A2 sep is just a slightly better M1A1 HC due to the CITV and gen 2 thermals.
They aren’t considered C&P then why are the megachs?
Nice another merkava nerfs incoming
Only first generation Magach’s lack ERA/NERA, starting from second gen almost all of them has the same capabilities in terms of protection.
Aside from Sabra almost all of them uses same FCS which leds to mediocre gun handling and optics.
Same deal here.
Funny thing it actually is.
Completely new turret design, new ERA type, much better survivability due to revised hull armor, external storage for additional ammo, actual better FCS and gun handling and better mobility.
Compare to T-90A vs T-90M can you honestly say there are quite amount differences at high tier Magachs? Cause when I played with them I couldn’t find any revelant difference until I unlocked and played Sabra Mk1
Optics are pretty good on the gal and 6M or whatever it is at 9.3
Not really, 8.7 m111 , 9.0 m111, 9.3 DM33 equivelant no?
Not looking hard enough then. Different engines and transmissions in a good few of them too.
the Gal batash isn’t much different playstyle wise from the 6R or whatever it is at the same BR.
But there are differences.
Fair enough, what about the other examples I made though?
Also again, that doesn’t make the isreali tree irrelevant at all xD
Like I said, I am not saying the megachs are all some hyper unique variants of each other, but to say they’re identical aka copy & paste is disingenious.
Never said it was, in fact I’m one the first early tester by buying 2D during this tech tree’s first release but I still don’t think Magach’s are unique enough, apart from Magach-7 and Sabra MK-1.
When I meant high tier Magach’s I was referring to 9.3+’s.
Last time I checked it was nothing special, maybe I remember it wrong.
Fair enough mate.
But that’s my point, the original comment was @urmom_xD saying the tree is irrelevant and shouldn’t of been added xD
aren’t there only 3 at 9.3’ The TT megach 6R or whatever it is, squadron 6B and the Gal battash?
it’s decent to use, teh composites are iffy and the optics are alright, it’s got a decent zoom, think about the same as the M60TTS or such.
The sabra I’ve never given a fair chance as I just took it up to 11.3 xD
you clearly grasp things even less than i though or are generally incapable of reading
its pretty obvious you cant. lmfao.
the conversation was well over until you replied and basically @ at me dumbass, starting this whole subject all over again.
the irony of this is impeccable. ill let your figure it out for yourself on why.
Quite the opposite mate, he told you he’s not one to get offended over it, however what you said can be taken as offensive.
which as a person who literally teaches the language you just used, yes it is offensive to people to say their nation is irrelevant, in a game or not xD
What are you even doing here other than trolling?
As I hadn’t read it and had pending messages here.
Don’t say shit if you aren’t ready for folk to pull you up for it.
The irony how ? if I check your stats in game and on statshark, you’ve yet to use any of the vehicles you’re here talking crap about.
On top of that, why are you here derailing a post about the Mk4 armour xD
Magach 6R, Magach7, Gal Batash,6B and 2D if you want include to firepower argument.
I mean he has kinda point tho, Gaijin kinda made irrevelant by making those vehicles weaker than their irk counterparts, actually Merkava 3-4’s are so such in bad shape that Gaijin planning to add Greece 2A6HEL to compensate this problem.
If only they could actually fix those vehicles…
Megach has a 2D?
or do you mean the 10,0 merkava.
Also the Megach 7 I havn’t used yet so need to give it a look.
The use of his language leads it to seem less about the actual playability of the tanks and more ambiguous.
That’s exactly why folks started on his case over it.
As well as that i’m gonna say the merkava mk4s are pretty damn good for their BR at 12.3 mate, not as bad as Ariete,CR2 or Leclerc anyways.
Same with the mk3s for their BR at 11.3 i found them extremely strong. Not the fastest but certainly bring a good punch to the fight.
Those are not the vehicles you wanna set up a bar when it comes to defining actual MBT’s, Xd.
People will most likely say I’m coping but I think CR2’s are better than Merkava 4’s overall.
i mean those 5 MBTs are all fighting on here for “worst” the merkava certainly isn’t the worst.
Nah the merkava mk4 has pretty nice turret armour not as good but decent, better mobility, better round, LWS, anti air round, as well as a faster reload , if CR2 had the proper ready racks then it could be up for debate but as of right now the 4 rounds is just a death sentence.
Challenger 2E can certainly keep up with Merkava tho.
Black Night also has this feature while having better APS, Spall liners and better ufp armor.
As I’ve said its my personal opinion so its up to personal choice in the end.
the 2E is fat as hell mate TBH; I rarely get past about 65 KMPH with the thing, and as soon as you touch anything it just loses it all.
Worse round, reload, optics and I’d argue worse UFP armour in practice in game. I’ve survived so much more in my Merkava mk4s than my CR2s it’s not even funny.
Definitely man, I had the CR2s out the other day there and was enjoying the 13.0 gameplay loop somewhat with them, but at the end of hte day i’d still take the merk or the ariete over them, which isn’t to say the Ariete is better.