Me 262 in its proper tier

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Having deviating opinions does not require to be impolite.

I kindly ask you to provide just 3 examples of the “HEAVY amount of misinformation” in my post.

Besides that:

Opinions are nice, opinions based on experience are nicer.

In order to assess the credibility of information you have to have the necessary experience. Based on your 262 stats you are not really in the position to assess the situation of non-rocket powered 262s - you have neither the necessary experience (=numbers of games) nor remarkable results or even success whilst flying them.

Even as i assess myself as bloody noob at this BR range (i fly props only) and considering that i am using a HOTAS in Air RB (and therefore never took a head-on) and just scored kills based on BnZ or high angle deflection shots, i would assess my own performance stats in 6.3 and 6.7 Me 262s as very poor - but they are somehow better than yours.

So if even highly experienced players like you struggle with getting good results whilst flying 262s vs mostly way less experienced players - how do you think that the other 95% of 262 players without this experience advantage will perform? This is (ofc) a rhetorical question.

From a pure credibility and battle performance aspect i recommend to read the posts of the fellow player @POLYDEUCES again - he somehow manages to play the 262 A-2a extremely successful - based on his service record the 6.7 version is a candidate for a higher BR😊

Requesting competitive BRs for the most successful jet fighter in aviation history is a matter of common sense. Using buzzwords like compression or decompression does not change this.

It makes no sense to fly an aircraft when it is severely outperformed at its BR. In most scenarios (or just in other aircraft) experienced players can close performance gaps with their experience advantage - but if the gap is too large you run into situations that even rookie players get multiple times away with basic mistakes whilst you can’t afford to make just one.

So even if you fight props in the 262 (and you have a speed advantage) you still have the challenge to bring guns (MK 108 grenade launchers) on target. Yes, in isolated 1 vs 1 you might be able to push your enemy low and slow enough - but the in-game reality sees mainly crumbling lobbies if they are dominated by 262s - so you fight mainly 1 vs all.

Equalizing player skill with BR:

The whole BR system is mainly based on player performance - in other words if planes underperform because the majority of their players can’t use them correctly the BRs will decrease.

The 262s are somehow excluded from this rule - that is the main reason why this thread exists.

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Oh, no. 😱

I played it carefully, that is mostly it.
The 0.3 difference really takes the edge off regarding uptiers.

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Nobody is being impolite.

Can you tell me when I flew the 262 in my career?

(hint, 2018)

You can say this means I don’t know what I’m talking about… but I’d also say you’re just goalpost moving to fit your bias. My stats prove I am not anywhere close to a bad player (or even average) and trying to use ancient 262 stats when I was close to brand new.

You can say I don’t know what I’m talking about since I haven’t flown it since then, that’s fine, but I know what I’m talking about, lol.

“Competitive BRs” is more healthily obtained by decompressing, rather than compressing the matchmaker further into oblivion. What the hell do you think a 5.3-5.7 aircraft will do to a 262?

This whole conversation makes me think you think the F-104A facing stuff like the G.91 pre series is fine because it’s basically the same issue just with a good gun but with an even worse flight platform.

these do not fit the definition of buzzwords. Most of the playerbase doesn’t even know what this means.

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Mhm - this depends on personal standards. Accusing others to spread misinformation (“HEAVY amount of misinformation”) is from my pov the exact opposite of being polite.

That is exactly the issue here.

It makes simply little zero sense to talk about outdated experiences based on general knowledge when current topics are discussed. Even as the general game play remains more or less unchanged it is obvious that player skill on average deteriorated whilst the challenges for 262 pilots increased.

If i would have a choice i would rather repeat the constant full uptier loops vs F-80s in the pre-nerf Re 2005 at 6.0 than flying a 7.0 Me 262 vs 7.0 opponents.

Nobody is shifting goal posts and there is no bias. I like the 262s and the 162 from the technological aspect (WW 2 tech) and because they require a hell of experience to make them even remotely work.

But there is a difference between having a challenge and being unable to take the initiative due to a lack of any significant and actually decisive advantage.

Nobody said this.

Whilst i generally agree with your view on gaijin’s BR distribution policy, i stated multiple times in this thread what happens when WW 2 jets meet competent prop pilots, no need to repeat this again.

I mean it is obvious that the term “buzzwords” has to be seen from its context.

As written in another thread: I am not your enemy.

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Sure. Which means I don’t have to necessarily adjust if I think I’m not being impolite just because someone else thinks I am being impolite.

You can spread misinformation accidently.

I knew the goalposts would move.

I’ve flown it recently enough (in smaller samples) and studied it enough as an experienced player to know what I’m talking about. If you think otherwise, that’s great. Coincidence here is that I also think you have no idea what you’re talking about to imply the 262s would be balanced at 6.3.

Good players don’t need to constantly be playing 100% of everything in the game to have a well educated opinion on them. Anybody who is good generally studies a lot of these planes outside of the game as well as inside of it.

It still does no worse than stalemates? That’s what happens. The props don’t win. Best case scenario they stalemate.

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Again:
Context matters.

And:
There is a difference between having a deviation opinion and stating “you have no idea”.

As soon as you change your perspective things start to make sense.

If you refer to the term “balanced” the perspective of a long term player does usually not reflect the in-game reality within wt. So if the majority of pilots are rookies the assessment of “balance” depends on their ability to make them work - and not the minority of experienced players.

That’s why i wrote:

So if the lobbies in Air RB are dominated by players without any clue and head-ons are the preferred attack profile it is not hard to understand that the average player struggles with 262s.

As BRs are usually determined by results of average players we have a hell of severely under- an overtiered aircraft in wt; undertiered if flown by a hell of rookies, overtiered if flown by just a few experienced players.

This looks like an incorrect assessment - just read the op and you might get the idea that nothing like that is happening.

No - the props win.

Usually your 262 team mates have neither the experience nor the passion & patience to outplay their speed advantage, so in most of your matches the outcome depends on the props within your team.

If they fail or just face the “wrong” nation you play very soon 1 vs all and lose by tickets. How? Quite obvious: One or two US pilots groundpound whilst you have 3-4 at your six.

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The only difference between what I’ve said and what you’ve said is that you were indirect about it and I was direct in response.

Is this meant to be an argument FOR or AGAINST player statistic based balancing? The Me262s are currently the BRs they are, presumably, because gaijin doesn’t think they need to go down. Based on, ding ding ding, their user statistics.

No, they don’t. There is no way for a prop to kill a 262 who is not actively messing up.

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Selective reading like in this case:

…by replying like this:

…is evidence enough that you read just what you want to read and ignore everything else. My statement was clearly referring to the outcome of the match and nout referring to 1 vs 1s.

In other words (and reacting to the recent exchanges as a whole):

Besides some rather hostile remarks (“misinformation”, “no clue”) and several rather helpless attempts to qualify your statements (experience in 2018, oh no - recent experience) or your refusal to provide evidence for your claim of “misinformation” from my side, you rely on classic tools like distraction (“shifting goalposts” and/or selective reading / quoting) in order to support your opinion without even considering to change your perspective.

This strategy might work in exchanges in your weight class, but they are not working if the person you try to debate is familiar with those things.

Final remark (= polite way to say “there won’t be further replies”):

If you read your own posts in this thread again you might agree that your first posts confirmed that non-rocket powered 262 need a relief by giving them lower BRs. But then in March 2025 you started with this compression nonsense.

The average wt player simply does not care about compression or decompression - he simply wants a competitive aircraft. And based on current BRs the 262s are just good in killing rookies, for every decent player it is no problem to evade (props) or to kill (jet & props) 262s.

That’s why this thread exists. So i kindly ask you to take a step back and try to look at the whole picture instead of acting like you are on a crusade.

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We need Br decompression and vehicles that are placed in accord to their objectively perceivable performance in comparison to the performance of aircraft in the same bracket.

Additionally a maximum up or downtier of only 0.7 likely would be much appreciated by most players.

We obviously have to make do with what we have.

The matchmaker does in fact play quite the role in regard to ones chances in the Br range we are talking about here.

The number of bombers on each team and how many fighters are going to try for them while in turn making themselves easier targets for any enemy that is gaining position.

How many people will dive after a single bomber or cas plane leaving 3 people to face double or thrice that number of enemy fighters at altitude?

There are many different playstyles. Usually when I was in a F4U, or late Spitfire I would regard a ME-262 as a free kill in most situations since it has nowhere near the ability to pressure me in the same way a F-80 or F-84 could. Especially in a random match.

Then there were SU-9 and 11 which were better in every aspect and of course Meteor which you barely have to attempt defending against if you are not in a dominant position or with a hefty energy advantage.

In the end it is a matter of compression but as I said earlier fighting 262 in super props is easier than facing aircraft which are doing the same job as 262 but with so much more thrust that they end up sailing through it.

Facing 262 in F2H is fun I can tell you.

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I don’t expect much from your response, but I feel the need to ask: In the event that what you’re asking for happens, and everything gets decompressed and such, which planes, specifically, would the Me 262 be facing? I do mean specifically, as well. Give me the direct names of which planes it would be fighting.

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They would be directly before the main 7.0 jets come into play (like F-80A-5 for example) and right after the last props.

Gaijin will need to add more jets/variants of more jets to fill in when/if they decompress. This has always been known and it’s what people want anyway generally speaking.

I don’t have to name specifics. You can do your own thinking here.

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NGL the 262 would be perfectly fine facing superprops, but we do need more of those.

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That’s my own thought process. Have it face the P-51H and Griffon Spitfires, also add in the early Meteor variants, etc.

I asked the question because as much as I agree with decompression, if a vehicle’s problem isn’t uptiers but also its own tier, then standard decompression doesn’t fix the problem, which is a point I don’t see brought up very often in response to the decompression-as-solution argument…

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me262 doesnt suffer at 7.0 just because “its a bad 7.0”, it suffers because they have moved vehicles down into its matchmaker that do not belong. It did not do poorly in years where it had fairer matchmaking. Decompression moves these problem vehicles up while not moving the 262 up.

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F4U-5 standing by.

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“Good” when you can use the skill for 99% accuracy 50cals to achieve 60%? Nah Call mg17 the best weapon for it can snipe 1000 pilots.

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It is very much a bad 7.0. I see no reason to play a 262 over an F-80A when it has worse firepower, worse maneuverability, and probably worse climb rate too.

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Too many missing to list here. Personally I’m looking forward more to the FR-1.

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You seem confused this topic isnt about the 30mm guns its about the 262 the 30mm is fine you just have to learn them sure they are much different but you do not need to whine about them

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The 262 is terrible largely due to these guns.