all of which you should beat in a dogfight, or be able to extend from them. The swift’s high speed handling is pretty bad, as is the MiG-15. Can’t speak for the sabre though, but I know the F-86A’s engine is relatively weak.
You’ve played it 5,000 times and come out with a nearly 4-1 kdr, therefore you know it’s good.
Compression issue, not a BR issue.
just no.
Go for it, I’m not stopping you or telling you what to do here
However I will warn you, everyone will beat you to altitude, and they can just run away from you
Then why have you played the Me163 so much more than the CL-13s or Me262C-2B?
Well, back in 4-5 years ago when I mostly played, the BR compression wasn’t this bad, there were hardly any missile launchers(like sea vixen), and at that time, if you made a hard turn(+ 7G) at a speed of over 700 km/h, the wings of Hunters, Sabers, MIG-15 and even Me 163s would be ripped off, so we all had to slow down and dogfight slowly.
And at that time, the MG151/20 was superior to the current one in ballistics, bullet spread, and power. It was possible because it could explode fighters in mid-air with a single swipe, but now, if we evaluate it objectively, it is overwhelmingly inferior to the GSH 23 or NR23 machine guns.
There weren’t any supersonic fighters like there are now. The weak engines of the F-86, Swift, and MiG-15 are no excuse. If you look at it that way, the Me 163 engine thrust is only 1800 kgf.
And of course, if you want to fly while saving fuel, the limit is 550-700 km/h. This is similar to the speed of superprops and 6.3-7.0 jets.
It’s no different from playing He 162 at 8.3~9.3
I’m not simply suggesting we return to the old days when the Me 163 could get 5-6 kills in a single round, or even 8.
So I’ve been playing neither the Me 163 B-0 nor the B-0 lately. Even then, I’d have to conserve fuel and give up 1-2 RtB kills to get 3 kills at best.
And was buffed at 80% and lower throttles.*
Just don’t use 100% throttle… These rocket fighters are their current BRs because players have used lower throttles in matches for 8+ years.
Also BR compression was worse back then because it wasn’t decompressed yet.
The Me-163 kinda needs to if it wants to take off, accelerate, and use it’s performance to it’s fully effect. I think giving it an interceptor spawn, and putting all variants to 7.7 or 8.0 would be the best course of action.
But the BR compression certainly isn’t better, and it’s worse in some ways.
You realise the airspawn is the only thing keeping the HF24 at 9.0? You’re suggesting a large buff AND a BR decrease… If it recieves an airspawn it should NOT move down. It’s also pretty ok at its current BR, not like it suffers, and so moving it down could create another BI situation
I don’t understand the argument that the current BR is fine. With only 3 minutes and 50 seconds of fuel, I don’t see what advantage, other than turning, it has over the F-86A at 8.0 and the MiG-15 bis at 8.3.
There are people who keep bringing up the example of BI and claiming that ‘it should never come down and if it does, it will ruin the BR below’, but did the Su-11, F2H, F-89D, and F-86A not cause any problems?
It’s more than 3 minutes and 50 if you’re smart about it.
Again, because some planes were overpowered and caused issues, you want the Me163 to join them? In what way is that a fair statement to make? In that logic, let’s move the MiG-23MLD to 5.0, because the release F-14 was causing problems.
To be blunt, yes, Germany needs weapons other than the Me 262 C-2b to counter them. And what does lowering the 23MLD to 5.0 have to do with lowering the Me 163 to 7.7? They have completely different playstyles.
The Me 163’s top speed, as you say, requires at least two minutes of fuel to reach it. Stop using ridiculous metaphors to try to operating the Me 163.
Or at least restore their BR to its original value, or raise it to 7.7-8.0. The only fighter that can break its wing at 7.0 without booster and still break its wing is the F-89.
I don’t know about you, but considering that the F-86, MiG-15/17 etc. got a -0.3 BR buff and the ‘ambiguous performance’ supersonic fighters got a BR buff of 1.0 BR or more and lowered, the Me 163’s BR should have been at least 9.7 BR by the 5years ago old standards.
Yet, you condone the Su-11, F-89 and everyone else slaughtering the Me 262A, Yak-15 and other ambiguous jets. Don’t worry, I don’t play the Me 163 B-0 anymore and probably won’t until its BR goes below 8.0.
In the meantime, by your logic, I’ll just take Me 262 C-2b and attacking the F-80 and F-84 with no way to react, just like the F-89 and Su-11 did.
They should get the Maus treatment and be removed from the TT, miserable to play against and boring to play as everything runs away from you (because they immediately die otherwise).
Excluding the Maus from the TT was a foolish decision. By that logic, the IS-4 is in a similar position to the Maus, but the Maus was excluded because it was difficult to balance.
And the Me 163 doesn’t even need to reach the F-89; it can be outmatched by the F-84G even at full throttle. I don’t understand why it’s constantly overrated.
Can’t be any less cancerous than the F-84Gs. Still, 7.7/8.0 with an interceptor spawnpoint is the best solution. Any lower and it’ll be like the BI, and they certaintly can’t go up in BR.
It is one of the best dogfighters in the game for about 4 minutes until it falls out of the sky.
I think he fails to recognise the only things that other planes around the BR range of the 163 can do, is run away. Lower the BR of the 163, and they can’t even run from it.
It’s an annoying as hell plane to fight, and clearly its just as annoying to fly.
Oh, then I’ll play the Su-11. Does anyone in this comment section want to play the Me 163? Since you claim the Me 163 is the best aircraft, I can never beat the Me 163 you’re playing. That’ll do, right?
You say you’re just running away from the Me 163, but I guess you don’t think about the feelings of the Me 163 chasing you.
I don’t usually say this, but I feel like the concept of boom&zoom is simply expressed as ‘just running away’. Two days ago, while playing Me 163 B-0, I was blinded by the desire to kill, so I cast 2 circle against Me 163 and got killed by me. Was that player blinded by the desire to kill, or was it because the F-104 was too weak to die to the Me 163 and needed to be buffed to 7.0?
You can just as easily use the F-84 to boom and zoom the Me 163.
The more I look at your argument, the more I think about our team, which was brutally shot down while dogfighting the Yak-9 and A7M2 with the F-8F, P-51H, and Ta 152C.
According to your logic, the A6M5 should be nerfed to 10.0 to deal with the A-10 and Su-25, as it is better at dogfighting than the Me 163.