+1 for Swiss tree only. Germany should not get this. Give them an Argentinian F-16, that has actual air-ground capabilites.
its realy either
there is nothing realy disproving the swiss A2G capability, they were fully trained in it.
Its like f4f aim 9j or the swedish mavericks
there is worse offenders then the a swiss f/a 18c with a2g armament
even the french eurovopter premium is physicaly unable to shoot HOT missles, but here we are because else they couldnt even sell it.
and lets face it, swiss tree aint happening
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Negative, requesting this for Germany.
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I’d be fine with it being implemented either way, though it would be neat to implement it as a pure air superiority fighter like the Swiss operate it. It would make it somewhat of a uniquely flavored F/A-18C, playstyle wise.
u can play the other F/A 18Cs the same way if you want to
that being said if its only implemented as A2A it sadly would be pure poison for the german tree which desperately needs an A2G plane
Hmm, honestly, I’m torn here. I get that Germany is sorely lacking in the CAS department at top tier. In that sense, I suppose I could stomach the Swiss 18C being implemented with A2G capability, or they could even use Upgrade 21, which restored some of that functionality. I hope Finland also gets the same treatment.
That said, I’ll be honest: adding Switzerland to Germany feels like a waste, just considering it’s so Germany can get an F/A-18C. I mean, I’d understand more if Germany was hurting for content in other areas, too. But the fact is that Germany is still one of the most complete TTs in the game. Granted, they’re still missing a lot of their WWII stuff and quite a bit of their modern stuff. Realistically, aside from the F/A-18C and maybe the Swiss Mirage IIIs, what exactly does Switzerland add to Germany? As far as other areas go, the Swiss prop planes aren’t really needed in the TT as they’re all basically MS.406 or 410 variants (though they’d still be cool to see as TT planes and not relegated to Premium or event status).
The same question applies to the ground stuff as well. What can Switzerland add to the German Ground TT that Germany either (A) doesn’t have or (B) doesn’t have domestic options available? Honestly, this situation leaves me in quite a conundrum. On the one hand, I’d love to see more Swiss stuff added, but on the flip side, what exactly can Gaijin add to an already relatively full TT with very few gaps that domestic options can’t already fill? Just my two cents on the issue
I would really like to know what part of Germany’s aviation tree it will most likely be on.
I don’t think it would be pure poison. Sure it would be a bit dissapointing for German mains, but if the new leaked CAS aircraft are half as strong as they are irl, a 4th gen fighter with amraam is needed to act as AA.
Do you have a reliable source for that? AFAIK Upgrade 21 did not have anything to do with restoring any A/G capabilities.
As much as I love the Swiss Hornet (duh…), I don’t want to see it added with A/G weaponry as that’s just something they do not have. Any and all A/G weaponry and associated training went out the window when SAF phase out the Hunter Mk.58 in 1994.
Do you have proof A2G capability has been removed?.
The cockpits show all A2G buttons screens.
And like i said they were fully trained im them see f4f aim 9j, gripen mavericks lr even fench tiger hot missle which it isnphysicaly unablw to shoot
No. I always was under the impression that on avionics side, all was there.
But - and of this I’m absolutely sure - the Swiss AF currently has zero air to ground weaponry since the retirement of the Hunter in '94.
Swiss Hornets used AIM-9P-4 and P-5 and AIM-120B initially, then later got the AIM-9X and AIM-120C.
I’ve recently even seen pics with a Hornet carrying 9X on the wing tips, single 120B’s on low drag pylons under the wings, and dual 120C’s on double launchers on normal underwing pylons, plus a centerline fuel tank. Best armed Swiss Hornet I’ve seen so far…
I will ask my contacts however if they have anything more conclusive (got some colleagues who actually work on the Hornets).
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The Mirages had bombs and AS30, no?
Theoretically yes. I have a photo on my wall with a IIIS surrounded by possible weapons, including 450kg bombs (the same the Hunter Mk.58 carries in WT) and of course the AS.30.
The NORAS (Nord AS.30), as we called them, were carried by the IIIS, and even used in life firing exercises in Sweden, but later were retired relatively quickly because they were difficult to use. MCLOS on a fast mover - we all know how tricky that is…
So, also here, MIRO’s (Mirage IIIS fighters) were used exclusively with A/A weaponry - Sidewinders and Falcons - while the AMIR’s (Mirage IIIRS reconnaissance) with Sidewinders for self defense and later a single Red baron or LIRAS IR recconnaissance pod, and sometimes with a flash pod to illuminate recce targets at night. Plus the 30mm DEFA’s of course.
The air to ground roles (attack, anti tank, CAS) was in the Swiss Air force exclusively performed by the Venoms and later Hunters. Some Vampire trainers could carry AS.11 training ATGM’s to train Mirage pilots for the AS.30, and some F-5F double seaters similarly were used for missile seeker training with TAGM-65B’s, but afaik never fired them. That’s all.
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Jup, but for gajin thats enough, as long as they trained with it.
.it doesnr need to be sta dard equipment🤷♂️
I vaguely recall reading that at least one of the upgrades restored the A2G functionality but I don’t have a concrete enough source
Not for the Swiss F-18C. They were integrated with a TGP to improve their interception mission, but did not undergo any A2G modifications, due to cost.
The Finnish F-18Cs did undergo A2G modifications, at considerable cost to them.
Ah, right, it was the Finnish ones that underwent the mods!
I still have conflicting feedback from people working on the Swiss Hornets: some claim technically the capability to use A/G weaponry is built in by default, some say it is not.
Anyway, Swiss Hornets never were carrying A/G stuff, were never intended to carry A/G stuff, and never will carry A/G stuff…
With the plans to buy F-35s, I would agree.
I’ve never seen cost as a reason cited for the lack of air-to-ground ordinance. The reason for not carrying air-to-ground weapons is doctrinal.
There is no limitation preventing the Swiss F/A-18 from carrying air-to-ground ordinance.
