Would love to see an F-4G squadron vic maybe? To go alongside the F-4E “Late” that we’ll get soonTM.
9L/7M w/ 65Ds and AGM-45B-10s/88As would make it a good 11.7 (I guess? Kinda odd since K2K is 11.7 as well but wouldn’t make such sense for it to be the same br as F-4E idk.)
+1
id probably say 12.3 now if it gets 9Ms
An F-4 Phantom II with IRCCM missiles at 12.3 would be a interesting thing and quite fun if I had to assume, just a F-4E but with a significantly more capable RWR, A2A capabilities retained from the F-4E, AND the addition of SEAD? Hell yeah
We need this and a F-4E Late with AIM-9L’s/AIM-7M’s
Hornets and Su-30s and JA-37DI and F-4F ICE like bruh
its way more capable as a fighter compared to the a10C at 11.7 its basically the same as the MIG-21 Bison why would it be lower
Mig-21 Bison has HMS, a PD radar, R-27Rs and R-73s, and F-4 with no internal gun with 9Ms & AIM-7F and no PD or MTI radar is not the same.
And of course the A-10C is not a fighter, why did you mention it?
Does it not get same kit as the F4J ?
and i mentioned the A10C as its basically the A10A with new weapons at 11.7 it be a bit unfair for it to only be that high cause the 9M and then we just put a fighter at the br with same weapons
and itll probably just get a gun pod
Technically it does, just the radar is the biggest issue and I rather it be 11.3 or 11.7 with AIM-9P/J or AIM-9Ls with AGM-65Ds, GBU-12/10 and AGM-88s
And of course the A-10C is not a fighter, why did you mention it?
Neither is the F-4G. The F-4G is a dedicated SEAD aircraft which would likely be classified as a “Strike” aircraft since SEAD is a specialised Ground Attack aircraft
doesnt it get the J models radar ?
if it doesnt have a J model radar how did they get 7M on the older radar ?
No, it uses a modified APQ-120 radar set, only the navy Phantoms had PD radars in US service.
The only F-4E models to have a different radar than the APQ-120 are the upgraded Greek F-4E AUP, Turkish F-4E Terminator 2020, German F-4F ICE, Israeli F-4E Kurnass 2000, Japanese F-4EJ Kai and possibly iranian phantoms. Everyone else had standard one.
Lovely. Cannot wait to see those in Nuclear Thunder 2.0.
Yeah… no.
APQ-120 had different variants that came with the upgrades in the standard F-4Es (not the modernized versions with digital electronics you mention).
https://www.f4phantom.com/drupal/content/various-questions-f-4e-ordnance-radar-avionics-tiseo
APQ-120(V) dash 10 and 11 had the CAA mode that had a limited LDSD capability.
They could fire 7F and M , but with the radar limitations it’s more like just a better missile in range and flying than using them in their full potential a PD equipped plane would.
I don’t know if they ever used 9M, i’m pretty sure they could use 9P-5 , a 9M head in a P body (i’m not getting to details). I don’t see why not though , because F-4Es stayed in ANG units till 90-91 and 9M was the common armament by that era (as well as 7M).
I knew about the different variants of the APQ-120-- im not that ignorant lol. I was just giving a general statement that they had APQ-120 models. Its kind of like saying that all F-16As, excluding the ones upgrades to the V-standard, had the APG-66. Yes, there are different variants of the APG-66, i know that, but its just a general statement that they all had some version of the base model.
What i was trying to get through was that the only F-4E (and F-4F) variants to have a completely different radar than the APQ-120 were the models mentioned, to my knowledge.
Better missiles would be great, and im all for a “late” model F-4E with the (V)11 and TISEO and the digital upgrades and whatnot, but i do feel that the AIM-9M / AIM-9P-5 might make the “late” phantom and the F-4G too high of a BR to be effective. In an ideal world for me, it would get AIM-7F/Ms and AIM-9Ls. But that is just my opinion on the matter lol. As for 9M integration, there are posted manuals from the 1990s that show it can use the AIM-9M. The AIM-9P-5, im not too sure of. I believe greek upgraded phantoms use it, but i don’t know for certain if the American ones ever did. They might have needed a software or hardware update to use them.
Big +1 but I think people are massively underestimating the appropriate BR for the vehicle
Completely different radar , yes. It’s those
you mentioned.
They can always give it a 12.0 with 9L (by the current standards) and 7F. But it would be nice if they would at least give (V)11/TISEO and just 7F. It’s a step in F-4E’s development through the years.
Still won’t be on par with 4J/S PD AWG-10 and HMS.
F-4G is another story on its own. If a mode similar with Nukethunder with SAMs come , it has its own job to do . But by current standards , in just RB it would be a 11.7 if it just gets 9Ls. It’s low, but it’s a SEAD plane…
I know they have 9L/I for sure. I don’t see any limitation to not be able to use 9M.
By the way Greece got some SRA F-4Es that have different canopy and CAA as well.
And they had 9P-5. So if they could use them in Greece , they could use them in US. US got 9P variants as well, it’s jsut GJ doesn’t use them in US. For example if they don’t want to give 9L , because it’s better than R-60M , they could give 9P-4 that has less range and worse flying performance than 9L to equalize the field.
They could give 9P-5 if they don’t want to use 9M. They are far worse than 9M anywaway…they just have IRCCM.
The advantage of the 9P variants is that they can stick to whatever could use 9J and P. They don’t need new wiring and there would be no limitation.
Software is not really the case in those IR missiles , the wiring is.
For example and that i know for sure because uncle flied one of those , F-5A could use 9P-5. The prime difference in their use is that when using 9P-5 you need Argon , not Peltier cooling. But that can be done with the old rails and wiring.
And from the time it is wired for 9L they can put 9M anyway. There is no limitation.
If the plane is a very older model that is just wired for 9J/Ps , it can still use 9L (32pin connectors) , however it may lose some of the missile synergy… Maybe the radar slaving not work. Maybe the All-Aspect won’t work. And things like those. They pretty much can shoot the missile , even in limited performance though.
Imagine , the IRIAF F-14s could use R-73 , just without the radar slaving… still better than 9P.
yeah, its only a difference in seeker between the 9L and 9M, everything else is the same which was common with the two branches missiles up until the air force adopted the 9L instead of containing having their own mostly due to the missiles electronic connector having more pins than the other
