MBDA MEADS (Aris AGC-170 II)

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Description: The MBDA MEADS was a multinational programme aimed at overcoming various shortcomings of already existing sistems and guarantee complete interoperability between US and allied countries.

History

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In the late eighties, the US Army and US Marine Corps decided to develop a new anti-air defense system that could effectively replace the aging Raytheon MIM-23 Hawk missile in its various versions and derivatives. A big milestone was achieved in 1995, when the program became a multinational joint venture between the US, Italy, and Germany, creating the MEADS (Medium Extended Air Defence System) International joint company, based in Florida, with Lockheed Martin, MBDA Italy, and MBDA Germany on board. After the establishment of the JV, the first delay occurred, as one of the opposers of LM, Raytheon, presented a formal complaint to the US government, which slowed down the program significantly. Although severely harmed by this event, the company was able to test the system for the first time in 2003 at an LM facility in New York. One year later, the MOU (memorandum of understanding) between three countries was finally signed, and the workshare % of the project was decided: 58% for the USA, 25% for Germany, and 17% for Italy. In 2010, after 6 years of development, a test campaign was started in order to demonstrate the BCM4I, a very interesting and useful system that allowed the MEADS to receive data from a platform not integrated into the system, thus allowing far better interoperability with any partner. It was also a very important year for Italy, as the first (and only) prototype of a full MEADS battery (radar vehicle and launcher) based on the Aris AGC-170 II truck for the Italian air force was made and tested one year later at Pratica Di Mare facilities, where the fire control radar was fully integrated with the other platforms of a MEADS battery. In the coming years, various live-fire tests were conducted at the White Sands shooting ground in the US with the new PAC-3 MSE missile, derived from the Patriot battery. But even after these encouraging results, so far none of the three partners had committed any order to the consortium, with the US even denying any possible procurement due to budgetary reasons. Only Germany seemed to be the only one going to place an order, as happened in 2015, but it was soon sent into limbo, as the contract was never actually signed, and in the end the Luftwaffe went with the standard American Patriot. From the Italian side, the situation was even less clear, as the only thing that was heard was dead silence. The Italian air force, after acquiring the first prototype, never mentioned or said anything about the system again and would have eventually chosen the Italian-French SAMPT/NG in 2022, for a total of 5 batteries. To these days, the fate of the prototype battery is unknow and the programme itself was very likely silently cancelled.

About the truck

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As previously mentioned, the truck employed by this battery is the Aris AGC-170 II, a fairly unique vehicle developed and produced by the Italian company Aris s.p.a. The pretty unique and unusual configuration of the vehicle is dictated by a single requirement: being airlifted by a C130J four-engine transport aircraft in service within the Italian air force without any modification to the vehicle itself.

The cabin can also be fitted with additional armor, similar to the one of the American HIMARS rocket launcher.
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About the missile

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The missile used by this battery is the PAC-3 MSE (Missile Segment Upgrade), an upgrade over the standard PAC-3 initially planned only for the MEADS system. Compared to older versions, the PAC-3 MSE features a good number of improvements, such as increased range and engagement altitude thanks to a new dual-pulse motor, which increases the missile’s performance significantly, larger fins, and improved maneuverability. The launcher can accomodate up to 8 missiles, even thought some renders showed a max of 12, and it is accomodated on the Aris AGC-170 II.

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About the radar

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To track and engage a target, the MEADS battery operates an X-band, solid-state, phased-array Multi-Function Fire Control Radar (MFCR) with a 360° turning angle. It has been described by the manufacturer as a very precise and accurate radar, capable of identifying a target quickly, and thanks to its compact dimensions and design, it can be airlifted by a C130J and repositioned quickly, being less vulnerable to various menaces than other comparable systems. It can also work as surveillance until the dedicated radar is available.

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360-Degree MEADS Radar Begins Integration Testing at Italian Test Range - Apr 19, 2012
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There is not much more unfortunately, the informations about the radar are very scarce.

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Sources

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Medium Extended Air Defense System - Wikipedia
Medium Extended Air Defense System (MEADS) | Missile Threat
https://www.deagel.com/armies/meads/a000503
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/lockheed-mbda-see-nato-future-for-meads/
AGC airlift global carrier – ARIS SpA
MEADS: Arrivato in Italia il modulo Battle Manager | DN - DifesaNews
Experienced anti-aircraft missile system MEADS | Missilery.info
AGC airlift global carrier – ARIS SpA
https://www.trucksplanet.com/photo/aris/agc/agc_k1.pdf
https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_pdf.cfm?DACH_RECNO=1451
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Clear Suggestion Mod Bias.

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Gets +1, but are towed vehicles suggestions allowed or not?
When i ask about a system with a towed radar, i get a no, but now it is acceptable?

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Multi Vehicle SAMs with towed launchers and radars can be suggested now?

Anyway +1, cool system and hope to see it ingame in some way.

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No cause the “trailer” is part of the truck, and the SAM launcher is on that.


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Looks pretty detachable to me…

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The front is noticeably different, it may be a different variant or platform option than the one that’s being suggested here:


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In that very brochure the components are described as a trailer and a towing truck. You can see the trailer is also detachable and replacable, not part of the truck as the author suggests, because in the brochure some of the pictured trailers only have 1 axle while others have 2.

Similar to Devil, I’ve also been told that trailer/towed systems aren’t currently considered acceptable for suggestions, so it would be good to get this clarified.

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No, the trailer is seperate to the truck.

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Based on the configuration of the trailers, it does not appear like anything other than the radar based ones can function while detached from the system. They don’t have supports or front wheels to sit upright when not bound to the central vehicle. They are still defined as trailers however yes, but I get why it’s considered apart of the system.
The radars do appear to be a different story however.

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+1 would be a nice addition to have someday

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This is irrelevant. Like I said, both Devil and myself have expressed interest in suggesting trailer-based/towed weapon systems, and we have both been told by the suggestion mods that towed systems are currently not considered acceptable for suggesting, regardless of whether the trailer is only operational while attached or detached from the towing truck.

Hence why we are both asking whether towed systems are allowed or not, because it is currently rather unclear.

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You’re not the only one. I tried suggesting the SP-HAWK, to which I was told the same thing.

Here’s the machinery of war post I made for it since it can’t be suggested:

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They seem to be taking the stance that since it can’t operate unattached it can be reasonably considered a direct part of the system. (Which I mean I get that, but to me it’s still towed and detachable and based I my personal interpretation of the stated rules it shouldn’t be included.)

This is also why I was here initially, someone told me about this (cough he left the first comment) and I thought the rules had been changed However they seem to have given their answer to the stance they’re taking. Even if I don’t fully agree with it, that seems to be the route they’re taking. Complete rules clarification in the rules section would be nice though.

Although I’d prefer if the whole no-towed thing in general was thrown out the window. We have the SLAMRAAM now with a towed radar, and I think suggestion rules should be altered to accommodate the standards now represented ingame (For radars at the very least, maybe launchers as well in due time). I understand the disparity between suggestions and the game for things like paper vehicles, but not for this instance, doesn’t make sense to me.

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