If you’ve deluded yourself into thinking the Ariete (p) and M1 Abrams have ‘‘relatively similar performance’’ in all categories except for penetration, then I’ll just claim the penetration between M774 and DM33 is ‘‘relatively similar’’ as well.
The M1 Abrams being so incredibly mobile is exactly why it’s penetration values don’t play a large role. It allows it to comfortably go for side armour whereas other vehicles would have much greater difficulties achieving similar positioning as quickly as the M1 does.
Besides, once again that’s just a Skill Issue™ on your end. Being unable to use M774 is quite telling, but also being unable to utilize the mobility makes it even worse.
Shocker! A tank that offers absolutely incredible mobility, reload rate, gun handling characteristics and versatility should be used in a way that makes use of these strengths!
What do you mean the tank doesn’t perform as well when I purposely play it terribly, and as poorly suited to it’s strengths as I possibly can? /s
I’ve answered this three separate times now:
That would be equally true as me claiming you’ve said that the T-72A should be 12.7.
You can’t read, can you?
‘‘on-par’’
Also answered this three times now.
Anyways, I’m out.
You’re not reading my replies anyways, and you’re just repeating the same arguments over and over and over again without even addressing any of the counterarguments.
You’ve not answered the two challenges I asked you to address on two separate occasions now. It’s just pointless having any discussion with a brick wall.
Ok so real example, how does the M1’s advantages contribute positively to letting it flank on a map like Advance to the Rhine and do the classic “South” (Blue) team tactic of B > C “Flank” down the “10-I” N-S road, though to the “10-E” corner each Grid square represents 150 meters and is 600 meters which can be expected to take a minimum of ~ 20 seconds, and the only way to bail out is into the courtyard ~200-250 meters at about 10-12 seconds. You are still committing a lot if anyone is watching from any of the relevant features from"10-D / -C" or “9-D”
"Advance to the Rhine"
Is there even an worse cannon caliber AP shell available at 10.7?
Not against autocannons due to the lack of having the the turret ring being made of paper, and it legitimately doesn’t make a difference against ammo like 3BM42 or 3OF26.
M1 v Ariete (aced w/ max crew skill)
Top forward speed: 72 v 65 kph
Top reverse speed: 38 v 46 kph
Reload rate: 5 v 6 seconds
Turret horizontal traverse: same at 40s
Turret vertical traverse: 24/s v 20*/s
Vertical guidance: -10*/20* v -9*/20*
Gunner cheek from the front v KE: ~390mm v ~380mm
Loader cheek from the front v KE: ~420mm v ~380mm
The M1 does have CE protection in the LFP that the Ariete (P) doesn’t get, but it doesn’t do anything against RU APFSDS (only effective at stopping NATO).
APFSDS capability: M774 (372mm at 0*/215mm at 60* at 0m) v DM33 (481mm at 0*/278* at 60* at 0m)
Yeah… that looks pretty similar in performance up till the ammunition. Sorry that some of us can read I guess.
It literally isn’t anything special in mobility and is on par to other NATO tanks due to doctrine at the time. Also, you act like I don’t have a 1.5KD with it when the average is 1.1… I know how to use it, it doesn’t make it any less stupid that it gets a piss poor round while being one of the worse in regards to KD/Kill per spawn versus the rest of the MBTs in its BR according to statshark.
So why can’t the Russians flank? They can move around just fine and I do it all the time with them. So what’s the argument of them having 3BM60 at 11.0 then when 3BM42 is just fine. All you’ve said so far is “but M1 mobile” while so is the M1128 and any other NATO tank.
Again, literally your own words. Don’t be upset just because someone called you out on not knowing the vehicle’s design and history.
You really haven’t done anything except go “BuT aBrAmS is 7 KPH fAsTeR aNd TuRnS fAsTeR sO iT’s SuPeRiOr”. If that’s the case, the BMPs and BMDs can go up in BR to 10.0+ seeing how they can pen MBTs in certain scenarios right? Also, also not as if the Abrams turret ring has been skuffed for years and isn’t volumetric like it should be even though they modeled the depth to it horizontally when you view the armor plate.
Yeah, the M735 that the M1 gets as its first APFSDS (at a whopping 292mm of pen. Idk why it even gets that as it wasn’t a round it used). Everything else outperforms it.
I already told you that T-90A with 3BM42 is a 10.7 material and you’re just ignoring that.
Same thing with M1 with M900 being at least 11.0 material.
You just keep ignoring everything that’s said to you.
Again with his date of introduction yapping.
I said all I have to say regarding that, so next time it’ll be ignored.
Or you have zero idea what you’re talking about.
No, it’s pretty much everyone laughing hard at people that want to put M900 on an M1 while keeping it at the same BR.
Also, lets not pretend that February WR isn’t tied to BMPT influencing those games.
Tanks like T-80UD or 80B don’t really perform better than M1s despite their much better rounds and armor.
You literally didn’t. You defaulted to “but the turret turns slow” as if playing smarter doesn’t counter that. If you get flanked that hard and turret speed is the deciding factor, you’re probably gonna die even if you had a fast turret. Not as if you can’t also rotate the hull toward the threat, decreasing the time to target while also putting your thicker armor toward the threat. Then you attempted to create a false argument about pushing a corner where turret speed then literally means nothing and the armor protection is what you need… which the T-90A has and the M1 doesn’t.
Except it really isn’t. I bring the T-72B into 11.0+ and do just fine with it. And why does it need to be 11.0 when the M10 has 10.7 with M900. Hell, the Object 292 is also at 10.7 and slams that BR in regards to KD and KS while having mobility
You literally haven’t had a counter other than “but Gaijin balance” when the T-90A slaps 10.0 tanks around with 3BM60 with a top tier hull. Do you have any actual evidence the M1 would be overpowered with M900 other than “but it would buff NATO”? Why does the M1 have to unlock M735 with 292mm of pen and not just get M774 as its tier I APFSDS?
I have literally running those tanks to include into top tier with friends. Saying Russia needs to be handheld is an understatement.
I’ve counted TWO people and it’s the same people in this chain crying about how the M1 should have equivalent rounds and checking y’alls comment history is mostly anti-NATO rhetoric does track with that.
Not as if the M1 had the worst KD for all 10.7/11.0 before the BMPT was added or anything… oh wait, it did. Data pulled from statshark. Outside of November, the M1 was literally the worst performing out of the 3 across every game mode in regard to KD for the last 7 months. Also, holy moly is China and Russia dominating Sim Battles across the board once you hit 8.3. That’s the overall history and the month to month recently is far worse of a spread.
I mean, across the nations, the Leopard 2A4 platform seems to be performing well in KD. The only one of those struggling is the German and Finnish 2A4s. As to why that is while the others prosper, I have no idea. As for the T-80B, it also seems to be doing just fine when compared to the M1, especially when looking at SB (that thing is demolishing there for some reason. Idk what lineups they have had recently so that may play into it).
