Out of 10 missiles, 9 go for the flare instead of the jet. Is this normal for a missile that has IRCCM? For the last week I’ve rarely gotten kills with missiles. Even missiles I fire from 1.1 km from the side/front/back miss.
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Side-aspect + well-ish timed flaring. Had he flared later he’d be dead. I haven’t used the Magics at all ever. But I do use Sidewinders, and the R-73. They work just fine.
Large caliber flares + relatively cold engine + side aspect + 3.5km launch. Gatewidth cant really help with that. Tracking suspension would, but it has its own arguably easier ways to defeat.
I’m completly agree with Berksun, yes on that video case the missile was bad launched, but from all my flying with mirage 4000 or F1C-200 something aint right whatever the direction of the missile it goes for the first flair wihtout spam or event cut afterburner, NGL i feel it just like an aim9L but higher BR.
Fix your game gajin please.
Hello mods, can you explain me this ?
I really don’t understand the issue behind this replay?
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i mean, u launched it frontally and Magic 2 isn’t AIM-9M, so it will obviously go for the flares.
So what exacly IRCCM mean if he eat flair that easily ? I don’t see any PL7 or AAM-3 doing the same thing.
So u think IRCCM is some kind of magical power that makes missiles undodgeable? Sorry buddy but that isn’t how it works.
PL-7 doesn’t even have IRCCM and it’s 10.7.
AAM-3 uses a different type of IRCCM.
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Then explain why the R60M/AAM-3 send exacly like mine would hit and not my magic 2 ?
I’ve play france enought to know that at least 6 month ago magic 2 was a strong missile and now it just feel like an aim9L but with highter rank, did i miss something ?
Ok so now u’re comparing a missile with absolutely ZERO flare resistance to a missile that, as i said, uses a different type of IRCCM.
In 2 months? Yeah probably.
I unlocked the MiG-25PD 1 day before going into a trip with some friends for 7 days and the gameplay was not the same as the gameplay the day i unlocked it.
You cannot really compare Radar missile cause most of them get buff over time but i don’t understand how a missile that i’ve been use until 2020 miss on the first flair just like he didn’t get any type of IRCCM
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Heres another guys, that say the same thing, how he miss at 0.5km flair drop ?
side shot, lmao.
i have played with Su-30SM back when SM2 didn’t exist yet and one time a Rafale one-flared my 2 R-73s at 1km even from behind and without pre-flaring and with afterburner on.
The F-20 is just cold
i recommend u this videos, maybe u can learn how the game works
Missiles don’t get “better” or “worse”. Gaijin doesn’t just change how good/bad a missile is just because. (Yes it does make changes but they aren’t game breaking. And if they are, they are usually quickly fixed. IIRC there haven’t been any changes to IR missiles for a while)
(Excluding you mentioning the R-60 with the AAM-3 for some reason…) The AAM-3 and AIM-9M use tracking suspension. Aka if the missile sees flares it shuts off the seeker for a bit and continues in an IOG-like state. These two are better at side/top aspects and in comparison to others better in front aspect too.
Now the rest, for example the R-73, Magic 2, PL5EII etc use gatewidth. Basically when the missile is off the rail it drastically reduces it’s FOV so that it won’t be able to even see flares at all. Now these are way better at rear-aspect since the engine exhausts are obviously, hotter.
“Why did a non-IRCCM missile hit a target through flares?”. Missiles like the AIM-9L or even the R-60M can go through flares. Why? Because the target didn’t flare correctly. If you flare and don’t maneuver at all the missile still has the target’s exhaust(s) in its FOV, and flares don’t last for an eternity. Why could an IRCCM missile still miss? The tracking suspension could’ve sent it to Narnia or gatewidth could have focused on a flare if it happened to be positioned perfectly.
“But how did my Gatewidth IRCCM missile miss from so close?”. Well. Even if perfect conditions are met you still have to remember: it’s a game. Stuff like server desync, ping or even PL play a role to this.
Missiles don’t just start becoming bad. The servers? Sure at times. 😅
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i still remember the time a Rafale fooled 2 R-73s of my Su-30SM while flying in a straight line and dropping so few flares while using afterburner and 1 of my R-73s was launched at 1.2km iirc.
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waiting till Gaijin adds more modern IRCCM missiles to WT with the UV mechanic.