Actually since Switzerland is officially a German subtree, couldn’t this work as a premium?
Now it’s 10.3 🥀
+1 should come soon
Bushmaster mardar? Yes
This isn’t a bushmaster… Used the same gun seen on the puma
Yeah in the same family, but it’s not the same, it’s a predecessor to the Mk 30-2 ABM.
Either Mk 30-1 (Aluminum case ammo) or Mk 30-2 (Steel case ammo)
So they’re not limited to 200RPM like on PUMA either, on ASCOD (Pizarro/Ulan) the Mk 30-2 has a 770 RPM Fire rate and on the Artemis 30 AA emplacement the Mk 30-1 has 800 RPM Fire rate.
I think the Marder M12 sports the Mk 30-1 because the muzzles look similar, idk tho.
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Everything that I personally could find about rheinmetalls e4 turret says it’s a mk30-2 and that makes sense as that’s the more anti armour gun
Hopefully you know it’s limited for accuracy and not because the gun can’t fire quicker puma could in theory fire up to 700rpm but there’s no option for that to save accuracy
Same gun used on the m12 what was used on the earliest puma prototypes it’s just the regular mk30-2
Also in the post they do literally state what gun it is lmao
Yeah i know Rheinmetall themselves state the Mk 30-2 ABM has an optional 600 RPM burst fire mode but obviously the Puma doesn’t have it, neither in game or real life sadly.
The gun is not the same as on the Puma, not even the early one, because the Puma one has an ABM programmer.
I was wrong in saying it looks like the Mk 30-1, the polish magazine photo looked weird and i thought it was the same muzzle device as on the Mk 30-1, in these 2 images below you can see they’re the same cannon both on M12 and Ascod, which is to say the Mk 30-2.
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Which importantly gives us cause for 770RPM like on ASCOD (Ulan)
Because a gun can fire that fast doesn’t mean it does the ulan also doesn’t fire at 770 rpm unless they have a switch (what they do because of limited ammo capacity) everything I found stated the same NATO
standard 200 rpm again for accuracy (this is for regular use)
Yes that’s how fast the gun can in theory fire but none has used it because unlike the Russians we focus on accuracy
Most likely the swiss who trialed the m12 had it limited to 200rpm or kuka themselves (rip kuka) limited it
The one in the video does fire at over 600 RPM, it only fires 5 rounds so probably only in some sort of burst mode, and the framerate is kind of low to do a more accurate measurement.
Because the Mk 30-2 ABM came with that 200 RPM limitation as it was fielded on the PUMA and they wanted better accuracy.
The older Mk 30-2 that are present on the ASCOD do have access to higher fire rate modes, even if only in bursts.
So it is entirely possible that the M12 has access to the same modes as ASCOD since they’re from the same time period, before the ABM and Puma were a thing.
There is no actual limit lmao that’s something done by the German army the gun can fire as as as the regular mk30-2 screenshot below is from rheinmetall about the mk30-2 abm
It’s possible but really unlikely imo considering this again was a German/swiss program so it likely was limited to 200Rpm again for accuracy
Also it’s not even the same family at all the mk30-2 and all other varients are gas operated while bushmasters are chain operated. They use completely different operations they are similar because they are both 30mm guns from nato that’s about it
I was referring to you saying it’s the same gun as on the puma, not the Bushmaster.
For the most part the mk30-2 and mk30-2 abm are the same they actually are it’s just the programer on the end
+1
Unironically love the Marder chassis.
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this is a really good addition to the game
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ola, Marder M12 article (Soldat Und Technik 02/1996)
Higher Res Pictures:
ANYWAY, because I wasted a bunch of my time on researching this, ima info-dump on the sight-combinations now, so I can somehow justify the time I spent on this.
“VERSION 1”
PERI Z16 A1 for the commander
Also used as gunner-sight on a.o. SpPz Luchs A2 and Marder 1 A2/A3/A4/A5;
First generation TVD (WBG-X), 2x-6x magnification (day-sight)according to Jane’s Publications;
MITHRIDAT for the gunner;
idk what TVD generation this would be, but magnification is 1x-8x (which would be fixed 8x ingame)
“VERSION 2”
PERI Z17 mod. for the commander
8x Magnification, has TVD (no clue which generation)STN ATLAS FAUST for the gunner;
Little to no data on this, might be related to PERI RTWL and/or SEOSS.
allegedly: 3rd generation TVD, 2x-8x magnification
Spoiler: Origin of second picture:
Schützenpanzer Marder / KUKA M12 | Panzermuseum Munster | 270862 | Flickr
“”“VERSION 3"”"
Unlike the others, this one doesnt actually exist per-se; It’s a combination of SEOSS and PERI Z17.
It is entirely possible that “FAUST” is essentially a predecessor of SEOSS (and/or PERI RTWL) but I have been unable to confirm this so far.
There are no pictures that show, without a doubt, that SEOSS was fitted on Marder M12 (which uses a KUKA E4 turret fyi; KUKA Wehrtechnik became part of Rheinmetall somewhere down the road).
However, it was fitted to a turret shown on a Patria AMV 8x8:
Hope this infodump was atleast somewhat interesting, if anyone has further data on theses sights/fire control systems (MITHRIDAT, PERI Z17, FAUST [and its potential relation to PERI RTWL / SEOSS]) please feel free to share them.
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