But it’s a bit limiting, no? Especially if there’s more than one enemy in the sky.
When launched from 10km, sure but when doing pop up attacks it give enemies two options. try to get behind cover which may not always happen due to a map or the vehicle you’re in. Or try to intercept which is much more reliable though it requires keeping an eye on your radar.
You’ll be surprised how usable it is at short to medium range. what makes the kh25 really good is how maneuverable and fast it is which makes it really good at popup attacks. though this is much more dependent on map, weather, and time of day than the mavericks.
sure but so is not being able to counter everything else. Just like MBTs, you shouldn’t judge them on a single aspect.
No, especially if I have friendly fighter just camping their spawn.
Launching them from that far out means you’re pretty safe against AAs and the only thing they can do is try to shoot your AGMs down. That’s the war of attrition CAS is definitely winning at.
If you don’t use a mountain to hide behind for your pop up attack, you’ll launch your missiles with a very shallow angle towards the ground vehicles, meaning it’ll be easy to break lock of your IOG-less missile, causing it to kiss the ground way earlier than anticipated.
At short range it definitely is good, but at that point you’re opening yourself up to close range AAs like Strela.
Not to mention KH-25s found there are Laser guided, so engaging multiple enemies in a single pass is very hard.
I’m not.
2S6 is good at shooting down missiles but for engaging CAS vehicles there are better options out there at a lower BR.
That’s entirely dependent on your team spawning in CAP and the same thing can be said about the enemy team to. Inevitably, you will be facing against more than a single CAS at a single time.
Well you said it yourself, mavericks at that range are extremely slow which is extremely easy to dodge and move out the way (knowingly or unknowingly)…
This is excluding the fact that the only agm that can track at those distances in the agm-65D which is found on the A-10. Others are stuck with the A’s or B’s which only start tracking around 5-6km
how low are you firing mavericks and which targets are you firing at? If a target is already behind trees, and you try to fire an agm at him, that’s a mistake on your end. If you know the target you’re firing at is gonna lose LOS, that is also a mistake on your end.
When doing popup attacks, you go for targets where you have full LOS.
Also popup attacks doesn’t entail you sticking low to the ground. You just need prevent yourself from being seen until the last the minute.
Hence why you use it in conjunction with popup attacks.
No arguing there, but they offer much more consistent one shots and colats than mavericks.
But you are. I wouldn’t go arguing that the 292 is better than the Abrams because it has more pen and I’m sure you wouldn’t too.
Just like the Abrams, the 2S6 is good in some aspects and average in others. The Strella and OSA, are excellent in a single aspect and terrible in others.
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Both the osa and strela cannot engage munition in my experience ive yet to get a lock on a missile with the osa, rolands can do it fine, rapier can do it fine, youre 100% right
Same thing for more than a single enemy CAS.
Flying low means that LoS can be broken much more easily.
If the terrain is flat then you’ll have to fly relatively low.
Yes, 2S6 is good against munitions.
If you actually want to shoot down planes, just take something else.
exactly, so it’s a pointless argument to make. Not sure why you’re moving the goal post from spaa vs cas to cas vs cap.
When it comes to long range attacks, yes LOS , short range no. FnF needs LOS in order to launch. so if you launch at enemy, and they aren’t behind/moving into cover, it’ll hit. It has the speed to hit targets at medium range. If you think LOS will be an issue, you will briefly angle your nose up and launch to help it launch
You gotta name me a map where the terrain is completley flat, and has no other LOS obstructions (trees, mountains, and buildings).
What maps are you thinking of? the closest one I can think of is the large variant of Sinai and fire arc but even there are plenty of places where you aren’t restricted to tree places
So you’re saying the Abrams is bad then? Because I could’ve sworn you say the complete opposite in different threads.
Which is something you did.
Not expecting AAs to be in cover is the issue here.
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Give me an Abrams for tank killing and I’ll happily accept it over giving me a 2S6 for airplane killing.
The context of that is to show why preparing for where an enemy might come from or relocating is extremely limiting.
I’m pointing out the reality of CAS in top tier. There will inevitably be more CAS than SPAA or CAP because of how cheap it is to bring one. The question is how easy is it to keep track of and manage multiple enemy CAS?
You do realize there’s more cons to being in cover than pros? Depending how much cover you’re in, you are severely limiting your search radar which impedes you’re ability to track where the enemies are in the sky and LOS thus making you unable to react in time. CAS doesn’t even need to go for you which makes you a failure when it comes to spaa duties.
This is ignoring the vehicle you’re trying to find cover in. Good luck finding one for the OSA lol.
No but you see the 292 is better at killing tanks at extreme far ranges because of it’s superior round. Ignore everything else the Abrams outclasses the 292 in.
You see how flawed your thinking can be, when you apply it to other vehicles in a similar situation?
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Never managed to get at least 2 kill/spawn ratio on any of my top tier aa. Including sm sv. And Im sure its not because sm sv is bad anti air. People just dont bother spawning. And even if they do you have to fight with other sm sv for food.
Also funny to hear that cas is cheap considering other units price and inability of average player to spawn it consistently, let alone second or even third cas spawns. But that doesnt seem to be the case with tank or aa. Single enraged player has no issue with spawning 2 or even 3 aa just for revenge.
Same can be said for anything.
Your usual routing for doing CAS might not be safe either.
What ?
CAS is cheaper to bring in than AAs ?
You don’t need perfect 360 degree coverage.
You don’t get it.
Abrams can kill things reliably at “extreme far ranges” which for GRB standards are around ~1500m.
2S6 on the other hand can’t, as it needs enemy plane to headbutt it’s missile.
Not what I said. SPAA like the roland, strella, osa, near useless against a competent CAS player. Those who know how to use a 2S6 are few and is diluted by the free spaa players.
There’s a reason why “just spawn spaa bro” argument isn’t taken seriously.
You do or you won’t notice when an enemy pops up. Again, you won’t be much help to your team if you do this.
You are proving my point. A competent CAS player won’t just sit high up 10km away and let an osa,tor,2s6 shoot at them, they will instantly fly down to break LOS.Again, it’s why popup attacks are used. It makes systems like the TOR, OSA, strella, useless. Even with low balling the 2S6’s effective range, guess what distance popup attacks occur the most?
So unless the OSA is on a superflat minecraft map, it’s useless against enemies who just dive straight down.
edit: not sure why it replied to you, I’ll respond to you in a bit
What? In what world is the 2s6 considered a bad spaa, one that has a better counterpart at a lower br. Only thing i can think of is the strela but even that has its downsides like no search radar.
The 2s6 is THE best 10.7 spaa in the game, should be 11.0 at least considering everyone else is given an osa or roland to use at those brs.
It got moved down to 10.7 when they nerfed its missiles, which was fair enough. But now that its been fixed it should have moved up years ago.
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For shooting down missiles ? Absolutely.
For literally anything else AA related ? Not really.
Name a single other spaa at 10.7 or bellow thats as good or even close to the 2s6 in terms of both anti cas and tank. And its still great at shooting planes down, being able to keep out of a pantsirs view by hugging the deck doesn’t make it bad and its the same for the s26.
It’s fine, but you have better options if your goal is to actually shoot down aircraft.
Like what? other than the strela i cant think of a single other spaa thats better than the s26?
Strela mogs it at close ranges.
Osa mogs it at longer ranges.
surprise surprise their both Russians. And the osa is no way comparable to the 2s6, they have a missile that is easily dodge at all ranges where as the 2s6 can kill manoeuvring targets up close while the guns deal with anyone in cqb. All of which makes this thing an 11.0 spaa at minimum.
Main reason its still at 10.7 is due to the disgustingly big premium 10.7 lineup for Russia which continues to grow with the addition of the Yugoslavian j22 which is also a little strong for 10.7 along with most of the rest of the lineup.
And are found in nations that aren’t USSR.
They’re way better at longer ranges.
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So what, ranges doesnt matter when at 10.7 most things have to get within 4km to actually get a hard lock on anything? And the reason they are in other nations is due to gaijin laziness and inability to do anything positive for the game.