MANPADS Missiles and Overload: The Technical Details

65ds arent a 10.3 weapon. agm 65ds barely outrange it and are slows as balls. if you dont play braindead you should be able to defend yourself. and the mtlb platform is very mobile.

They are 10.7 weapon and easily outrange Strela.
I even got a 5km+ lock with a 65B.

Laser GBUs are, which have a range of 16km.

to get that much range from a gbu in grb youre essentially a free kill to radar spaas. and you arent getting 16km of range regardless.

Doubt early radar SAMs will kill you at 10km of distance.

to get 10km of range from a gbu you need plenty of altitude and speed, not to mention a good Tgp. in a full uptier i can see it being a problem, but at 10.3 not really.

strela is a short range system, and its as close to infallible at its job as spaas get ingame. if it was also good against long range aircraft it wouldnt be ingame.

Yes, climbing to orbit is a valid strategy that can keep you safe from missiles and radar detection from AAs.

To get 16km you need 9000 meters altitude going mach 0.91.
Q-5L, Super Etendard, etc all have that climb rate and capability.

regardless of your opinion flares don’t affect EO lock. That is how it works irl and that is how it works ingame and that is also how it should always be.

thats not quite right, its just because flares ingame are finnicky at best. BOL should work very well especially against early contrast seekers such as strela

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Agm-65d has lock range ~10-12km. Agm-65b has lock range ~6km

feel free to give a proper source instead of making random claims

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Do you know how bol works? if the seeker cannot see the aircraft it shouldnt be able to track, if the aircraft is going away from the missile(rear aspect) bol would completely obscure the LOS. modern flares arent just balls of hot like they arent ingame.

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If you think so, then you have no business being in this game or on this forum. You can safely go outside.

Physically obscuring the aircraft with a flare goes for literally every flare in the game though. It’s not a BOL exclusive thing. It might be easier with BOL, but it’s not something impossible to do with other flares.

B/W contrast seekers should lose track when a flare is between the missile seeker FoV and the aircraft (it will see a large ball of light instead of airplane, rather obviously; you want proof then go and light an aircraft flare on the ground and record it with your phone, you won’t see anything aside from bright) but UV IRCCM and true IIR missile seekers will have capability to ignore them to a certain extent.

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that is why flares arent just bright balls of IR anymore

the timers in contrast seekers are gated good luck trying any of that

Gotta give praise when its due; kudos for adding more WW2 stuff. Much appreicated, Gaijin team.

In theory, this only applies to guidance systems like the 9M37M - electro-mechanical without a CCD matrix.
CCD matrices can change the exposure time (S) electronically, like your smartphone camera, so as not to be blinded by the sun, side reflections and, in fact, infrared countermeasure traps.
Actually, I think that what you described is only possible with modern infrared traps (I don’t know from what years) that flash very brightly like old magnesium camera flashes.
And even then, I’m not sure whether such bright photo traps exist, perhaps these are assumptions and fantasies.

Logically, this is extremely unlikely. With an increase in the brightness of the IR trap, its radiation spectrum will change significantly and shift to an increasingly shorter-wavelength radiation region, thereby moving away from the radiation ranges of the engine and nozzle itself. And this is bad because the effectiveness against IR missiles, against which IR traps are needed, will decrease.