how do 90/105/? DM63 compare to 120 DM33?
in real life, it’s also the issue of ERA being filled with (undocumented) rubber/egg packets or (documented) silicate bricks instead of explosives. Blame NII Stali for causing three thousand lost tanks, probably at least 10% losses being entirely destroyed… meaning 900 dead tankers. Could be more but the percentage of captured/damaged and lost vehicles is also pretty high
There is also a 105mm DM33, which is the one I’m referring to.
I don’t know anything on 105 mm. Just some stuff on 120 and 125
it’s not a failure at all. Russia just doesn’t have production facilities for it. And money, perhaps.
All we don’t know is exact array and exactly how Monolit ERA is made. But we know approximate composite thickness (around 1 meter, which might be 600-800 mm effective against KE with no weakspots), base hull thickness, crew “capsule” (just a rear 50-80 mm plate to protect from detonation). We know a lot on transmission (being reversive but not entirely), we even know what projectiles the APS uses.
It’s a very good tank for War Thunder, and we only have guesstimates on it’s armor JUST LIKE on Leopard 2A7, Leclerc, etc. They back off from adding it because Russia hasn’t released anything new to have the 13.0 setup. So they will just be pushing T-90M and T-80BVM and constantly buffing their armor for that, I guess.
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The biggest problem with ERA in game is it provides absurd protection at flat angles. Flat angles wouldn’t do much to APFSDS, but you still get the KE protection regardless of angle. Plus I’m not 100% sure where Gaijin got the KE protection values from either on stuff like Relikt.
No one even knows where Gaijin got the ke value for the duplet on the oplot. It’s just funny to think that Gaijin may have chosen the ke protection value of the export version and claiming it’s the same when its not. It’s not russian era so I know its not gonna get fixed but having angle affect penetration would help realistic penetration. rn they just need to either add rounds like dm73 or fix era pen.
There are just too many replies. All I want to say is: Russians could try using their own explosive reactive armor to intercept nuclear missiles—just mount that double-layered Fossil Explosive Reactive Armor on interceptor missiles, and you can stop anything!
Relikts 250 mm value was likely calculated from LOS protection of T-90M (800mm, where armor LOS is 550 and ERA LOS is 250) but in game its like 290 mm at 60° in reality, if you check it yourself. And that is post-normalization so its like 300 at 60° LOS in game. In real life its much more potent as it degrades long rod by around 40%.
As for flat protection values, theyre pretty low, iirc like 40-50 mm. The issue with upgraded side ERA is not an issue, its ERA bricks being angled
It takes more skill to hit the armor 😆
~40mm comes from the ERA boxes.
54mm flat isn’t “absurd” in the slightest.
…it doesn’t, they’re 5-10 mm thick
10x2 is 20mm /cos 68 = 53mm. And 40 at 60.
…that’s not what flat means. Also Relikt is placed at 60 deg
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It’s shocking how many people struggle with the idea that a steel plate is still a steel plate, regardless of whether or not it’s being throw with explosives, it’s also worth noting that Kontakt-5 (and I would assume Relikt) uses an asymmetric explosive interlayer that rotates the flyer plate as it’s thrown out, which means that it still has some affect, even if minimal regardless of the impact angle.
Also a Relikt side bag has 2 relikt plates held apart by metal plates so a side shot has to pass through the holder box, flyer plate, explosive, backer plate, mounting bracket, space, mounting bracket, backing plate, explosive, flyer plate, holder box, side skirt, then the actual tanks armour.
Edit: To clarify, the side bag has lots of Relikt plates each set of “slats” is 2 paired Relikt plates held back to back
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You said angled, not flat.
No ERA in War Thunder has over 100mm of protection flat.
And no, the ERA is placed in multiple positions, with many configs being aligned with the 68 degree UFP.
are you blind?
long rod doesn’t struggle with rubber skirts and structural steel. Only throwing “degrading” plates and actual armor
Not in real life, at least