Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

M1A2 SEP V3 with the Uparmoured hull
550mm Steel equivalent at best from 700mm LOS composite. (0.786x KE)

Leopard 2A4 with B-Tech
350mm steel equivalent from 750mm LOS of composite (0.467x KE)

Leopard 2A5 with C-Tech
450mm steel equivalent from 750mm LOS composite (0.600x KE)

But here you are telling me that
T-80BV with only steel and fibre glass has
648mm steel equivalent from 587mm LOS (1.104x KE)

3 words… It’s F#%ing BS

T-80BV if it was modelled according to my estimate
504mm steel equivalent from 587mm LOS (x0.859 KE)

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Fibreglass textolite.
Secondly… Idk how from where you taking your numbers. Even in sheet provided by you there is no 648 steel equivalent. Its 520 M774 and 640 3BM22.
Idk, write with some respect at least, cause decoding your ranting is quite hard.

Again proving your lack of knowledge…

I literally couldn’t of made it more obvious but I’ll give you 1 last chance to understand

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This is OFL 120 F1 at 1583m/s velocity
520mm at 0 degrees of penetration

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Here I didn’t change anything, still OFL 120 F1 at 1583m/s but it’s penetration at 68 degrees which is the upper plate angle of T-80BV
243mm at 68 degrees = 648mm LOS of steel

So basically the fact I need to shoot T-80BV hull with OFL 120 F1 at 1583m/s to penetrate it, means the APFSDS has to defeat 648mm LOS of steel equivalent at 68 degrees to defeat that 587mm LOS of T-80BV’s hull composite armour

CONCLUSION
T-80BV’s 587mm LOS of composite = 648mm steel equivalent. Composite effectiveness of 1.104x KE

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Bruh, you basically writing like you have a stroke. Thats not my problem.
And… Why you bringing up OFL 120 F1 with this particular velocity?

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Because at this specific velocity, OFL 120 F1 defeats 520mm at 0 degrees which is what you need to currently penetrate T-80U upper plate base hull armour without The Kontakt-5 ERA in War Thunder

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Yeah they should nerv soviet’s

And?

Leopard 2A4 with B-Tech
350mm KE from 750mm LOS of Composite
(0.467x KE)

Leopard 2A5 with C-Tech
450mm KE from 750mm LOS of composite
(0.600x KE)

M1A2 SEP V3
550mm KE from 700mm LOS of composite
(0.786x KE)

Russian Composite if it was modelled correctly as I proposed in the Opening Post

T-64A
347mm KE from 547mm LOS of composite
(0.634x KE)
[130mm at 68 degrees - 347mm LOS]

T-72A “79”
375mm KE from 574mm LOS of composite
(0.653x KE)
[140mm at 68 degrees - 375mm LOS]

T-72A “83”
424mm KE from 617mm LOS of composite
(0.688x KE)
[159mm at 68 degrees - 424mm LOS]

T-64BV
457mm KE from 547mm LOS of composite
(0.835x KE)
[171mm at 68 degrees - 457mm LOS]

T-80BV
504mm steel equivalent from 587mm LOS of composite
(x0.859 KE)
[189mm at 68 degrees - 504mm LOS]

T-72B / T-90
550mm steel equivalent from 574mm LOS of composite
(0.958x KE)
[206mm at 68 degrees - 550mm LOS]

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Not quite. There are two versions of T-80BV. One is T-80B 1982 with a Kontakt-1 (30mm addon plate+ 60mm steel+ 50mm textolite+50mm textolite+ 45mm steel) and newly built T-80BV which has improved armour (50mm steel+ 35mm textolite + 50mm steel+ 35mm textolite + 50mm steel)

When could one ever believe numbers and technical details of modern military equipment? Above all from a totalitarian state. `Tis all between propanda and wishful thinking.

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You mean, the IRL tradeoff would apply?

Shocking…

I saw that photo a while ago, I don’t know if it is correct, but it gives some ideas of what the T-80’s armor is like.

I’d like to add that whilst the diagram is helpful it has errors.

• For example T-80’s never had ceramic in their armour.

• BDD add on armour for T-55 and T-62 was 150mm thick, not 120mm thick

• T-72M actually has 80 + 105 + 20 array

• Russians switched to BTK-1sh high hardness steel after like 1982. So all plates on T-72B should be high hardness in the diagram etc etc…

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Are you going to make a report with your data?

Gaijin doesn’t accept calculations

Even if I tell them that 574mm LOS of composite shouldn’t offer 660mm LOS of steel protection because it’s unrealistic, that still ain’t good enough for them

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IDK why people bring up Pantsir, it can’t kill F-16s, F-14s, or Mig-29s, legit impossible.
Can’t even kill EJ Kai.
I know this because I’m using these aircraft against Pantsirs.

uh … what is this?

You don’t have any significant amount of battles on each of the vehicles you cited to tell me you have enough experience to say Pantsirs can easily be engaged with, it’s particularly hilarious to mention it on aircraft that don’t even have long range guided weapons.

If you presume that unguided weapons are an effective way of countering the platform that has both the best SAMs and the best short range anti air guns in game I will just laugh at you.

Even if we say you kill one Pantsir by flying low and bombing the heck out of them, what comes after that? You already lost all element of surprise so now you are just gonna get gunned down by the next guy who will spawn it with 170 SP, so what was the point of just spawning on a 500+ SP worth vehicle when you only get one lucky kill?

And yeah “impossible” to kill F-16s, F-14s, MiG-29s with an 18km range, 32G missile that seemingly struggles to lose any energy, has a silent lock, short burn and that’s probably why I have a 3-1 KD on it, because it’s obviously “impossible” to kill those damn flying jets, completely balanced to have over 6km of advantage for almost every SAM in every nation making it able to shoot down anything as soon as it spawns, a radar that can see every flying thing 80 degrees above it while even targeting pods will only render at 15km, not powercreep at all.

Next time you are gonna shill for Russia try to bring up better lines.

/Offtopic/

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“You spent over 4 hours against Pantsirs, 3 of them were specifically experts at SPAA, not enough.”

It’s funny watching you shill for the Soviets claiming their bad Pantsir is the most godly SPAA ever made.

If you think Pantsir is so good, get in yours and try & shoot my down.
You’ll never be able to shoot me down tho, cause I learned the weaknesses of Pantsir first week it was introduced.

Funny watching 6 shills for Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian equipment.

I mean that may just be blinding incompetence on the part of the enemy team…

What would be telling is how many kills they are getting per death.

I genuinely don’t know how they perform and would be curious to see where MiG-29s, F-16ADFs, and so on are performing.