Thank you for providing a fresh perspective on this thread BTW.
If your statement is true, it should be investigated & if you & I are correct in improper RHA multiplier for tanks then we should create bug reports after we proved without a doubt our positions.
LOS is 67 degrees at the top of the UFP BTW, stat card is incorrect which makes green protection analysis also incorrect since it uses stat card info.
Not 80-100 but flat out over 100-110 for T-72B lol
T-80U / T-80BVM base hull by 160 LOS
We could get into it again but you need to understand that the effectiveness of the materials within the arrays changes from array to array. And why mass efficiency is a relevant statistic.
I could simple explain it and prove why several vehicles that gaijin corrected before are actually right, against composite penetrators. There is a slight deficiency they should have against long rods however. But i use a lot of new math and procedures to prove the correct ones right, and the overperforming ones wrong. With a ton of source material
Language, but I support disseminating that source material properly & providing historical reports.
Can’t do it half-baked like other bug reporters have.
They also don’t account for the lower quality, and higher spalling of cast armor like the o279. This thing should shatter when broken. It should also degrade if you machinegun down a soft spot very easily. This is the downside of cast armor. One of them.
This is a reminder that I agree with @Sombralix along with his original post that armor should be accurate across all vehicles, thus I agree with this thread’s purpose in its entirety.
Yet many people that seem to think armor doesn’t need to be as accurate as possible all blocked me which allows me to refute their claims without opposition.
It wasn’t that. Yes, all nations should be accurate. No matter what balance that might result in, thats what BR is for. But I think the issue is, is that when information is not available and judgement calls are made. For Most nations they seem to take a… conservative approach, perfering to under do things, rather than over do them, and then fix them if/when more information becomes available. The challenger 2 is prime example of this in my opinion. This is the sensible approach and the way they should do things. But there have been a couple of examples where the opposite was taken. In the absence of clear information. On some vehicles, they favour over performance rather than under performance. T-80 is an example of this in my opinion.
It may be entirely coincidential, but it does seem more often than not, its the soviets that get that.
We agree on this, Morvran.
Even with their liberal approach to Type 10’s armor, it was still rather conservative compared to M1A2’s far more complete armor [missing front roof characteristics still tho].
And obviously T-series armor being the most complete due to everything being unclassified.
I still agree with you they’re a bit too conservative, especially with Leclerc & Ariete.
Breeches seem to be the biggest issue.
Type 90 is supposed to have close to 400mm of protection for the breech from sources I’ve read.
But then again, breeches for all tanks are a major issue so IDK how to deal with this.
And I’ll state that using 1.25 modifier for all MBTs RHA might be inaccurate, but I cannot prove this.
Yeah, prehaps the issue is just that, T-80 is 100% accurate (within game limiations) and all other nations aren’t even close and thus really underpowered due to a conservative approach
But there have just been a few too many “coincidences” recently and I think its entirely fair to ask “Is this right? If so, prove it”. Somethings just dont… smell right.
I am of the opinion that some top tier soviet tanks are under BRed, and that they need to spend some time working on fixing issues found on another nations. A new thread today on the Chally 2 has brought to light some major flaws with the ammo storage. The Compression issues at top tier are dreadful. (i.e all 5 Chally 2s are nearly the same BR, probably need to spread them out a bit). But until we get both a decompression and more BR brackets, there is little that can be done on that front
The only thing I know for sure is T-80U & M1A1 HC are essentially twins.
I can’t speak for everything else, and I’ll admit I cannot see nuances in other things as effectively sometimes.
The best example I can think of with wise to something not quite, smelling right, actually comes from the Bluewater lines.
Most cruisers, especially the premium cruisers, all have their strengths and weaknesses, but on the whole, are about equal. The Zheleznyakov though… Does seem to take an ungodly amount of punishment sometimes. So too do some of the other Russian cruisers. The worst I’ve seen was a Krasny Krym taking about 1000 rounds from my Belfast, a mix of HE and SAP. At point blank range. I turned that thing into a floating wreck. It had no functional modules, but I just could not kill it. Now this was a while ago and I think things have improved a bit, but still. I see either of those, and I know im in for a long duel.
Whether either are 100% accurate or something is very wrong I don’t know, but its just another coincedence.
Just wish they keep things fair, like with15 inch guns have massive (confirmed by tech mods) artifical nerfs for the sake of balance. It leaves anything with 15 inchs actually at a major disadvantage, especially in battleship vs battleship duels. It does leave a fairly unfair fight sometimes as well. Its a shame they dont seem to apply that philosphy anywhere else, Where there is an obvious 1 sided advantage that they artifically nerf
Oh, you should see matches at 4.7 when a Kako is on the enemy team.
Absolutely bullies people.
I get what you mean tho.
Currently trying to spade the Renown. Its impossible. They have actually possibly made it the worst ship in the game right now. You get 1 tapped by Cruisers, not too mention other BBs. And there were dozens of reports about things like her draft being wrong and they’ve been so far ingored. Kronhstadt though is still going very strong, even though its been reported that her guns are likely “too accurate”. But thats what happens when you add a ship that never existed to the game
I’m surprised I don’t see more American Kronhstadts, AKA USS Alaska.
Bit more armor, similar guns. I guess just cause more people have Krons cause it came out sooner.
I only took a stab at Ground Battles and in RB mode but check it out: Data on Nations and First To Get new Technology
Russia gets more tech first than any other nation (Taiwan/china is just baby russia tree) in Tanks and in SPAA.
Or just simple fix make all tank in the game spall like Russian tank do (due to most of western tanks had spall liner) and see how it’s goes
They do.
Fuel tanks slow spalling in all tanks, which is accurate.
And interior armored plates spall, which is accurate.
Spalling is based on armor thickness & round.
Less spalling also makes ammo racking easier due to more on target.
I did another night of ammo racking 100% of the T-80s I came across tonight… it was one cause I was stuck doing a daily task for air.
