I never said everyone I JUST SAID YOU
Just give anti era and bigger map and range effecting penetration right now Just admit it they are overperform if Russians tanks are good as in the game they would have win the war by now (and you know what happenings )
Real life user error is not an indicator of vehicle capability.
The fact it does tell everything
It had been combat proved and it failed in combat (in every aspect) it war machines after all if it not prove itself in combat so where else? Propaganda poster?
User error? almost 1k of the tanks they lost all of that are user error?
for one example it can’t even save the crew is the failure number one as Tanks
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Everyone knows how poorly trained Russia’s military forces are.
You can have Abrams, you’ll still die due to poor training.
No one’s immune from poor training.
Not too mention the fact that weve seen evidence that all the era is fake
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Unfortunately, between corruption, imcompentance and poor training. We cannot use Ukraine as a source of reliable information for how Russian/Soviet tanks may perform. (If we did that then we’d have to move T-55s up to top tier :P )
War Thunder Represents every vehicle in “factory fresh” perfect state. So many Russia tanks in-game are what they are suppose to be not what they are in reality. Though I do believe that we can use the same conflict for real world assessments of the performance for NATO tanks as they are likely being deployed in optimal conditions and so, that data can be applied in-game. (when Chally 2s hit the field, Im very interested to see how they hold up)
That being said. I do believe Russian vehicles are over-performing and/or NATO tanks in game are underperforming. By what degree, I cannot comment, but I think there is too many posts and threads on the topic, including one as detailed as this one that prove that something is wrong.(and there are several examples of things that are proven to be wrong, like the chally 2 mobility issues that would have undeniable impacts on game balance)
Whether its all game limitations or some degree of malicous intent. is another discussion however, and one I dont feel like getting into currently
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@Macekeeks
No on gaslights on this forum
The fact that you’re claiming people are crazy because they’ve been told they’re wrong is wrong, off-topic, & inappropriate.
No one is crazy just cause they posted something that’s incorrect.
it is not fake, you have people who see something that looks like " egg cartons " and people in their own ignorance say " LOOK THAT ISNT REAL ERA!! " Meanwhile, it is exactly what has been known to be inside the ERA from the beginning.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/491788609276608574/949568887891062794/unknown-10.png
There is plenty of evidence of Russian corruption effecting their armed forces.
From ERA that is made out of cardboard to body armour plates made out of aluminium or plastic. Not too mention the cheap Chinese tyres that kept bursting. There is evidence/reports of it all.
Do I take it all with a pinch of salt. Of course I do. Can that evidence be universally applied to everything. No. But there is certainly plenty of evidence of corruption within russia combine with the fact that Its been a soviet tactic for decades to make things look better than they actually are and we can make some conclusions
He means the real-life equipped vehicles, and he’s not saying all lack ERA, just that many were shown without ERA in the compartments.
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i keep hearing cardboard ERA , no one shows proof, they just keep posting the same 1 or 2 pictures.
Now the Body armor stuff was laughable i almost died laughing when they showed Airsoft body armor, and those cheap Chinese tires are what happens when you trade with the chinese.
“for decades to make things look better than they actually are and we can make some conclusions”
You would be surprised how often that happens in every military around the planet, including the U.S Military.
to be fair if Russian tanks didn’t have the era they would be useless in warthunder that is the bvm is comically easy to kill without the era
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I accept that the ERA is suppose to have cardboard spacers, but in the absence of any actual ERA components other than those spacers, then I think the statement “ERA made out of nothing but cardboard” is a fair and reasonable statement to make at the moment. Unless further evidence is provided
Agreed, but none with such notoriety. The Mig-25 is probably one of the most famous examples that I can think of for a military weapon that was suppose to be a “super weapon” that turned out to only be good at flying really fast in a straight line.
I think recent events have already proven that most of the Russian army is more of fascade these days.
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@sartt
We can get along.
Like with these two posts.
We can all agree that Soviet tanks are trash without ERA.
And that eggcarton-like spacers are used.
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soviet era tanks are bad, because the yare still based off soviet era design, for some reason they waited until the T-14 , its like if the U.S was still using the M60 patton designed today. Its madness.
That was because it was a dead ringer for one of the design studies that was evaluated for the F-15 and so bricks were shat. At least until they got their hands on one a figured out that is was more an F-106 / F-14 hybrid, than a F-15 counterpart and made of Steel, not Titanium and carbon composites.
i mean the Russians were the First to have an actual working fensor fusion & Helmet Mounted Display, and that is whats in-game right now for their fighter pilots so they could shoot missiles by just looking at their targets, and they did that when no one else could even begin to dream to get it to work right and this was all in the 1980s and their planes are just faster, and more maneuverable, than some other planes.
if you wanna start with historical additions i wanna have USA and German tanks brought up to age compared to russian tanks, thanks very much