There is plenty of evidence of Russian corruption effecting their armed forces.
From ERA that is made out of cardboard to body armour plates made out of aluminium or plastic. Not too mention the cheap Chinese tyres that kept bursting. There is evidence/reports of it all.
Do I take it all with a pinch of salt. Of course I do. Can that evidence be universally applied to everything. No. But there is certainly plenty of evidence of corruption within russia combine with the fact that Its been a soviet tactic for decades to make things look better than they actually are and we can make some conclusions
i keep hearing cardboard ERA , no one shows proof, they just keep posting the same 1 or 2 pictures.
Now the Body armor stuff was laughable i almost died laughing when they showed Airsoft body armor, and those cheap Chinese tires are what happens when you trade with the chinese.
“for decades to make things look better than they actually are and we can make some conclusions”
You would be surprised how often that happens in every military around the planet, including the U.S Military.
I accept that the ERA is suppose to have cardboard spacers, but in the absence of any actual ERA components other than those spacers, then I think the statement “ERA made out of nothing but cardboard” is a fair and reasonable statement to make at the moment. Unless further evidence is provided
Agreed, but none with such notoriety. The Mig-25 is probably one of the most famous examples that I can think of for a military weapon that was suppose to be a “super weapon” that turned out to only be good at flying really fast in a straight line.
I think recent events have already proven that most of the Russian army is more of fascade these days.
@sartt
We can get along.
Like with these two posts.
We can all agree that Soviet tanks are trash without ERA.
And that eggcarton-like spacers are used.
soviet era tanks are bad, because the yare still based off soviet era design, for some reason they waited until the T-14 , its like if the U.S was still using the M60 patton designed today. Its madness.
That was because it was a dead ringer for one of the design studies that was evaluated for the F-15 and so bricks were shat. At least until they got their hands on one a figured out that is was more an F-106 / F-14 hybrid, than a F-15 counterpart and made of Steel, not Titanium and carbon composites.
i mean the Russians were the First to have an actual working fensor fusion & Helmet Mounted Display, and that is whats in-game right now for their fighter pilots so they could shoot missiles by just looking at their targets, and they did that when no one else could even begin to dream to get it to work right and this was all in the 1980s and their planes are just faster, and more maneuverable, than some other planes.
not gonna say Russia bad BUT , the first to use them was American navy , they throwed them out as it was too heavy for high G maneuvers , something that is still a problem with modern stuff
Ukrainian Nozh ERA, 40-50% vs apfsds, let’s just say 45%
T-64BM2 Bulat
830mm KE LOS - 45% (Nozh) = 457mm KE LOS (Base hull protection of T-64BV)
When APFSDS defeats 666mm KE at 0 degrees, it defeats 311mm at 68 degrees (830mm LOS)
When it comes to armour protection, T-64BM2 Bulat is pretty much T-80BVM level, it stops the 120mm DM53/63 L/55 even when the armour isn’t overperforming
We are not going to share that test data, big point of contention here. If we did, it would show the weakness of the system and you just don’t do that. It has been tested, but that data will stay sealed. I can tell you, if russian tanks in game were adjusted to their real world performance, tryhards wouldn’t touch them. They are way over performing in game. The problem is, some data will never be public until it doesn’t matter.
It isn’t due entirely to poor training. The vehicles themselves and the armor were mostly propaganda numbers. They don’t perform like claimed at all. This is reality, and the reality is some very aged weapon systems have shown that the russian built tanks are just bad.
Well, the data doesn’t matter too much unless it was tested using M829A1 & A2 as well.
I won’t be asking if those rounds were used cause you’re clearly in a privileged position and I ain’t about to entice you to threaten that.
The problem here is, it is likely the devs know this, but they aren’t honest with the players. What evidence the public can see, has shown that even the very aged Ukraine tanks from the USSR days are defeating the most modern russian tanks. Without this the public could have still claimed some ignorance and the devs were safe. But at this point, the knowledge the public does have, have just exacerbated the lies and performance exaggerations. Which is why I really like the question “Is it incompetence, bias, or intentional deception”. Are they too proud to admit the truth? Or were the lies just exposed through the war in Ukraine and they can’t claim ignorance anymore?
Either way, their are enough posts with real data on these forums and years of bug reports that it should have been fixed by now. So you can only assume its intentional overperformance at this point.
The devs don’t know this in a provable manner.
Meaning they either flat out don’t know it, or they don’t have unrestricted & unclassified data to prove it in a court of law.
And I’m not talking Russia suing them, Russia has no power in the EU & they haven’t sued devs before.
I’m talking USA, France, UK, etc suing based on a wiff of restricted data used to a decision made.
As for Russian tanks being defeated, we’ve seen no evidence of a Russian tank being defeated with a sole round through Relikt + armor.
