You’re discrediting yourself and everyone I’ve spoken to incredibly.
After all, I only used the same sources they did.
@Fireball_2020 used “Частные вопросы конечной баллистики” to weaken the T-64A in his report; I cited the same data here.
Then they started using Tankograd here, and I started cribbing from there as well.
These sources were literally used by those I was discussing with. So either they brought the propaganda themselves and even based their report on it, or you just wrote complete nonsense.
Moreover, I mentioned “if you believe the source” and “if the source is reliable” many times during the conversation.
I, unlike everyone else, approach the issue with skepticism and compare data between sources to ensure they don’t contradict each other.
Absolutelt agree with you. It should be Russia’s fault by not making thick enough armor to withstand modern rods once the ERA is gone, not playerbase’s.
Plus, there is a lot of information floating on T-14 already, it could be added soon - we, nonetheless, have tanks with poorly modelled armor (Leclerc, for example). Russia could still have their advanced T-64 and T-72 against late Leo 1 and AMX 30B2, Leopard 2A4s and M1A1 with DM33 and M829A1 would be brawling against T-72B89 and T-80U, while modernmost Leclercs, Leopards 2A7 and M1A2 challenge the teams full of Armatas. Not a reality we’re in, but it sounds like a much more cool scenario
It’s really more of a problem with the developers, who seem to be omitting something when calculating penetrations, since it’s impossible for the DM63 to penetrate marginally more than the DM33, when the DM63 dates back to 1990.
I’m not sure that information is accurate, because even though the T-14 turned out to be a massive failure, it still has extremely modern armor, and that should be kept strictly secret. Besides, the T-14’s counterparts should be other prototype models like the Abrams X, etc. To counter the M1A2 and any tank that’s an upgrade of previous tanks, there are already the T-90M, B3, and T-80BVM, which are upgrades of earlier tanks.
in real life, it’s also the issue of ERA being filled with (undocumented) rubber/egg packets or (documented) silicate bricks instead of explosives. Blame NII Stali for causing three thousand lost tanks, probably at least 10% losses being entirely destroyed… meaning 900 dead tankers. Could be more but the percentage of captured/damaged and lost vehicles is also pretty high
it’s not a failure at all. Russia just doesn’t have production facilities for it. And money, perhaps.
All we don’t know is exact array and exactly how Monolit ERA is made. But we know approximate composite thickness (around 1 meter, which might be 600-800 mm effective against KE with no weakspots), base hull thickness, crew “capsule” (just a rear 50-80 mm plate to protect from detonation). We know a lot on transmission (being reversive but not entirely), we even know what projectiles the APS uses.
It’s a very good tank for War Thunder, and we only have guesstimates on it’s armor JUST LIKE on Leopard 2A7, Leclerc, etc. They back off from adding it because Russia hasn’t released anything new to have the 13.0 setup. So they will just be pushing T-90M and T-80BVM and constantly buffing their armor for that, I guess.
The biggest problem with ERA in game is it provides absurd protection at flat angles. Flat angles wouldn’t do much to APFSDS, but you still get the KE protection regardless of angle. Plus I’m not 100% sure where Gaijin got the KE protection values from either on stuff like Relikt.
No one even knows where Gaijin got the ke value for the duplet on the oplot. It’s just funny to think that Gaijin may have chosen the ke protection value of the export version and claiming it’s the same when its not. It’s not russian era so I know its not gonna get fixed but having angle affect penetration would help realistic penetration. rn they just need to either add rounds like dm73 or fix era pen.
There are just too many replies. All I want to say is: Russians could try using their own explosive reactive armor to intercept nuclear missiles—just mount that double-layered Fossil Explosive Reactive Armor on interceptor missiles, and you can stop anything!
Relikts 250 mm value was likely calculated from LOS protection of T-90M (800mm, where armor LOS is 550 and ERA LOS is 250) but in game its like 290 mm at 60° in reality, if you check it yourself. And that is post-normalization so its like 300 at 60° LOS in game. In real life its much more potent as it degrades long rod by around 40%.
As for flat protection values, theyre pretty low, iirc like 40-50 mm. The issue with upgraded side ERA is not an issue, its ERA bricks being angled
