I suppose the US shoudlnt get the AV-8B+ then. Wouldnt want to take away the AV-8B+ being a unique airframe to the Italian TT
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Like I’ve said before you want unique you’ll anly find it in WW2 (if lucky 50s/60s)
The little unique nowadays are support vehclies like IFVs, APCs and SPAAs.
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Based take
Love it though
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Exactly, the only truly unique stuff that I can recall right now is Korean vehicles and even then most of them are based off of other vehicles
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F-15C isn’t good CAS, HARM will almost exclusively be used in GRB where Germany and Italy have an advantage now.
Anyways, what’s so bad about some nations getting a weapons system and not all. As long as it doesn’t go too far it adds variety and I’m sure Germany and Italy have jets and capabilities in the air and ground that people would go crazy about if we got.
The US literally designed and built it, then sold some to Italy. It’s an American plane in the wrong tree right now
Well… technically…
:p
What?
So you would deny 7/10 nations a perticular and potent type of weapon system just for the sake of keeping a heavily exported missile in 1 TT?
HARM would be a MASSIVE buff for msot nations.
Well… Technically its heavily based upon the British designed and buiilt Harrier. That was modified with help from Britain. So technically all Harrier IIs shoud be in the British TT, Especially the AV-8A that was exported directly from the UK needs to be moved to our TT then. conserve Uniqueness.
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If you mean a redesigned British plane that still uses a British engine
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Everyones is based on other vehclies.
Like my nations modern domestic pride the LAVs decsend from the Swiss MOWAG (tho they been so long detached you can’t call them the same thing anymore)
But your right Korea is unique for modern day, but once we looks into WW2, we get basically everyone that existed then from Canada and Australia to Poland and Yugoslavia, all have unique vehclie during and shortly after WW2.
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Fair point, but the av8b was at least quite modified while the agm 88 is basically a 1:1 copy to the US tree versions if it was added to Italy and Germany. And honestly, Italy isn’t even bad anymore. People need to stop complaining about it when they get gripens +.av8b CAS + 2a7
And the German air tree is pretty competitive until the tippy top of top tier. The ground tree is competitive throughout the whole thing
Both are not 7/10 nations
LAV is the GOAT of Canadian vehicles
and US has Abrams+F-16C. Every nation struggles against Pantsir and every nation should get hte hard counter. Assuming every nation is about to get stronger SAMs at top tier. Every nation might need HARM to counter every nation. Just because Italy has a good multirole, a good sub-sonic CAS and 1 good MBT. doesnt mean it should get nerfed.
F-16C is just as strong if not stronger than the Gripen in CAS, if not stronger. Gripens max load is 4x A2G weapons, less with ARH. F-16C can have ARH and 6x AGM-65s
Ok for the sake of hard countering pantsirs Italy should have them. But Germany does absolutely not need them because they have 2a7 which they can use to just push the pantsirs on the ground
Ah yes a tank to counter a SAM in the spawn which isnt easy to get to just so you can use a plane.
Wheres the logic? Why does Germany deserve less treatment and countering mechanics because of 1 TANK when this is an air conversation?
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As it stands, HARM will be mostly used in ground battles by CAS planes. Germany has other a2g weaponry and some of the best tanks in the game, it’s pretty well off. However, if they do add some more advanced use for HARM in air I wouldn’t be against giving them to Germany
Their only CAS is the Tornado ASSTA1 currently. They get no aircraft with standoff weapons like AGM-65 beyond the 2x on the ICE that doesnt have a Tpod.
They dont get better until Tranche 2 Typhoons in a few years (unless they get an F-18 or F-16 from somewhere)
They need AGM-88s more than italy does.
Its a bit like saying the US doesnt need the AV-8B+ because they already have the F-14B. Its a capable naval CAS aircraft
This idea that, “you have X, so you dont need Y” is stupid. I’ve seen people say that BRitain shouldnt have gotten the Sea Harrier FA2 or Tornado F3 AOP because we already had the Gripen. It shouldnt work like that.
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Well yeah cuz SHar and tornado are British jets, just like AV-8B and HARM are American so we should get both. However the HARM is neither a German missile nor is it needed for them to do well in GRB
With that logic every tank with the L7 should go to Britain and every tank with a Rheinmetall should go to Germany
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Anything BAE ever worked on should also go to the UK TT :P
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