Major Update "Leviathans" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

Harrier gr7 can use sniper I think

That was my first report. The second is answered better

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Gr7, Gr9 and Typhoon.

(though fun-fact, they bought the tpods, they didnt buy the intergration for the Harrier. So whilst the aircraft recognised it had a tpod equipped. It thought it was a TIALD, so none of the buttons did what they said they did)

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Thanks, do you know how much better it is that TIALD?

TIALD is currently modeled as Gen 1 (should be gen 2) and has terrible zoom. Sniper is like Gen 3 or 4 with excellent zoom.

If you have Tornado Gr4 or Typhoon. its better than the Litening III

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I, do not.

Light shells have less pen at range, drag does not increase linearly, so the faster you shove it out the barrel does not mean more pen at any significant range, this is why Italy and France had both a high MV, and a heavy shell, doesn’t matter how fast you shove them out the barrel, Roma and Richelieu have both heavier shells, and faster MV than Vanguard or Bismarck. Vanguard has heavier shells (still lighter than Roma and Richelieu) and a high-er MV (lower than Roma Richelieu and Bismarck), giving her more pen at range, she also has better ballistic (i.e drag negating) capping to aide here too.

The primary factor for penetration at range of battleship calibre shells is shell weight and then on a level not really represented in war thunder, shell quality and ballistic/AP capping.

This isn’t any bias or anything really, Bismarcks and Vanguards shells just aren’t that good ballistically compared to Richelieu and Roma’s. The advantage for these guns should be accuracy, Roma and Richelieu struggled to hit in the same post-code even when their shell quality was more or less perfect, Germany did very well to combine high MV with a relatively good dispersion pattern, however this is primarily because they used twins rather than triples. The UK would be even worse off than Bismarck if they hadn’t started designing a 15"/45 superheavy for the KGV class with triples with a higher MV and supercharges at only a minor cost of accuracy, those supercharges were then made interchangeable with Vanguard to improve her penetration.

I might actually use harrier more if it gets this 🙏

Id guess they are saving it for one of the “upgrades” for the Gr9A, which both makes sense but is also a bit of a shame.

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We could get gr9 this update with 6 9ms and the gps stuff, I’m desperate for new British plane like hawk or mordern harrier.

Yeah but another upgrade are the brimstones, you sure you gonna use SAL?

Yeah, they’ve dropped the ball again on timely new aircraft.

My fear is they are waiting to add the Gr9A alongside MMW Brimstones because she did use Brimstones but only the single-mode Brimstone 1s before the dual-mode upgrade.

Though id argue it should just come with SAL and replaced when they can

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Are there any plans to add BOL to the American F/A-18C late or American F-15’s?

Makes sense- I hope accuracy is modelled at least, then!

High accuracy and rate of fire would be Bismarck’s strengths, then. Without either of these, it may be too “meh” to live up to her legend.

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If they are being… pedantic, then she wont have SALs because she never used them. But with Britain, they seem to want later variants to have every single upgrade possible (looking at GR1 to GR4). But

  • Mk107 engine
  • HMS
  • 6x AAMs (technically should be on the Gr7)
  • Sniper
  • Brimstone 1 (Even as SAL placeholders)
  • TERMA
  • Paveway IV
  • (ASRAAM?)

Would all be quite a major upgrade. So MMW wouldnt necessarily be a deal breaker imo

Currently there is no information that they were integrated to US F/A-18Cs, only plans for evaluation (though its not clear that came off).

AIM-120C is being added for the F-15E. Its performance will be evaluated from there.

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Any word on whether BOL is going be fixed/modeled historically accurate (or as close as game limitaitons allow) this major or soon after?

Specifically this with nearly 700 votes and 95% approval:

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Yeah Bismarck would do well to have her draft be low as it should be, good accuracy (still behind the British 15" and 14" but probably the runner up to those), as well as good RoF and loading angles, and very good gun handling.

She will for all intents and purposes, hopefully be a repeat of the playstyle of Scharnhorst, but with more reasonable (still good) armour.

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Will AIM-120C be added to Typhoons?

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I wonder if she will pop like Scharn does. I have only faced an Iowa so far on the dev server

Currently its for the F/A-18C Late, F-15E and F-15I RA’AM. Though as always, thats subject to change.

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