- I said a2a so why mention a2g?
- I also think it should be no problem for the typhoon assuming fixed radar. Anyways, why should F-15C have to be balanced around a single aircraft when there are things like Rafale and Su-30SM
- I already told you, F-15C with AESA and C-5 not E would be the more reasonable choice, F-15E with C-5 is a bit much
becuase I expanded upon what was being discussed. Its frustrating that no matter what, the Typhoon is denied buffs and yet everyone else they get lavished upon them without even asking for them.
Because the F-15 and Typhoon are the closest in performance when it comes to BVR.
WVR combat Typhoon should roughly match what the Rafale can do (it cannot) and in BVR combat the Typhoon should roughly match what the top F-15 can do (it cannot if nothing changes)
Why should the F-15 be dominant without equal… again?
And yet, its not the C getting the C5. Its the E.
So best or almost best at WVR and BVR?
F-15C late would have Su-30SM as an equal with 4 more missiles.
Its a great dogfighter and if bug reports get implemented should be more improved even sadly it will still lose to all of them simply because they would all have more fox 3s. The F-2 will have to be a rat fighter just going in close staying at medium to low altitudes and picking people off.
TBH lack of HMD isn’t too bad it gets some of the best and widest ACM modes out there so you can lock people off bore pretty well.
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Yeah, not having HMD on a fighter is still a disadvantage but with -ESA you get really good performance for close range radar stuff
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Should be one of the best.
But is underperforming in every single respect.
Its unlikely we’ll ever get our IRL FM.
So that leaves, radar, CMs and AAMs as areas that can be buffed.
We’ll have to probably put up with the Sub-par Aim-9M for now as ASRAAM/IRIS-T will probably be a while yet. So that means we are lacking in a WVR fight against anyhting with R-73 or Magic II.
So that leaves BVR combat. BOL hopefully will be fixed, but then again, with the F-18C getting over 1000 CMs via BOL, they may decide against it just because that is too strong. So that removes having a decent chaff loadout.
So that just leaves radar and missiles.
its been 6 months, no sign of CAPTOR-M. Im inclined to beleive it wont be coming. So at some point, they need to submit defeat and just add CAPTOR-E. which would put us on par with the Rafale and Su-30 in terms of radar performance and im sure the F-15 will of course be the same major update.
Then that leaves BVR missiles. AKA the Aim-120C5. Which is being added. Onto the Typhoons BVR equal the F-15E… There is only one answer. Add Aim-120C5s to the Typhoon.
If the US got the F-22 and they added Meteor to the Typhoon in the same major update and you just had AIm-120C? would you accept that?
C-5? No
C-7 or C-8? yeah I’d be alright with it, would prefer an AIM-120D but Raptor is meaningfully faster, and such a potent opposing missile might mean it actually gets good stealth.
So you would want to have an equal performance AAM?
And yet Typhoon with Aim-120B vs F-15E with Aim-120C5 (and assuming not a single bug fix for the Typhoon) do you really consider that fair or any different to leaving the F-22 with Aim-120C5 vs Typhoon with Meteor ?
Isn’t Meteor still better than AIM-120D in max range and NEZ? C-7 of course is still going to be worse but F-22 has other advantages, just like Typhoon vs. f-15
and isnt Aim-120C5 better than Aim-120B in max range and NEZ?
Yeah but like I said, typhoon has other advantages over the F-15 just like 22 has advantages over the typhoon, which justifies the worse AAM
Such as?
F-15 has the more reliable radar at the moment.
It also has more CMs whilst BOL Is so heavily nerfed.
F-15E has 2 more AMRAAMs than the Typhoon if both are running max AAMs
They are equal in climb rate and max speed.
If the fight remains BVR. What advantages does the Typhoon really hold?
And even in WVR. The Typhoon is good, but Aim-9M handicap it loads and the 27mm Mauser is middling
Can defend better.
And doesn’t EFT have better accel but worse top end than F-15 (top end doesn’t really matter though)
F-15 has 9M too so it’s down to FM where Typhoon wins
The F-15E already has a BVR advantage, that’s literally the trade-off.
The Typhoon is the better dogfighter and the F-15E is the better BVR platform.
The F-15E and I Ra’am don’t need the C-5, but since they are getting the C-5, the Typhoon should get them as well (or the F-15E and I should go up in BR)
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Maybe? But is underperforming quite a bit at the moment. engine looses like 25% of its thrust for about 20 seconds whenever it turns. Really needs a report done for it.
Yes, but do you ever actually run Aim-9Ms?
Then typhoon has the dedicated short range IRCCM missile and F-15 doesn’t lol
@KhorneFlakez1337 if EFT gets even some of the FM and radar fixes Morvran is talking about it’ll at least be equal to the F-15E for BVR flight performance, it’s already better in accel and manueverability for defending
ill be honest, BVR’ing in WT really doesnt work if people are actually paying attention to their RWR or your shooting at an enemy thats also at a high altitude. the F-15 is very much not as capable at evading Fox 3’s thanks to being an absolute brick except at very long range where being a brick doesnt hurt as much since it has a crazy engine. Anywhere at close-medium range the F-15 is pretty much a free kill with Fox 3’s because it cannot notch in time
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The F-15 can run 8x AMRAAM or 2x Aim-9M and 6x AMRAAM
The Typhoon can only run 2x Aim-9M and 6x AMRAAM or ditch some of the AMRAAM for more AIm-9M.
But the Typhoon is better because it has 2x pylons that can only equip Aim-9M?
If you don’t run AIM-9Ms, why would you get into WVR with a Typhoon?
welcome to life of a f14 pilot where your radar so good gaijin artficially nerfs it