Major Update Concept/Pitch - "Call of Mahabharata" - The Indian Nation & Ground Tree

I like the clean and concise layout of the tech tree. Given that India has already developed their own equipment, it makes sense that they would deserve a place in WT.

However, as someone already pointed out, the current proposal would needs more unique addition (like Indian-made modification) to make it stand out more and offers something worth playing.

Also, I think you need to separate the SPG/TD branch from the SPAA/SAM branch, because that would not make logical sense otherwise unless some of these are dual-purposes like ADATS.

Other than that, I will give +1 for the potential, and I hope that this will be the starting point for people to looking into the Indian arms industry and find something new.

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Just done a bit of digging and found this interesting Indian SPG.

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This is the M-46 Catapult, a 130 mm SPG based on a lengthened hull of Vijayanta tanks. The gun is the 130 mm M-46. The SPG has entered service in 1981 and decommissioned recently in 2021.

I think this would make a nice gap filler between the Abbot and the Vajra.

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I’d be down for an independent India tree but there’s quite a bit of stuff to recommend changing. I’d remove Rank III and focus on creating a lineup there. Here is a design of mine (that’s outdated right now) that if you want, you can take from. You’re going to need copy and paste in it. It’s inevitable.

India Tree Concept

  • Notes:
    • BMP-2 and BMP-2 Sarath was a error on my part. It’s supposed to be the standard variant and the variant that focuses on the thermal imager modernization.
    • Mine is missing the Atharva and some SPG’s so +1 to you on that.
    • Zorawar could be bumped to 10.7.
    • Disregard T-90MS as the vehicle has not been accepted into service, nor delivered. India procured funds in 2019 for it however, nothing has evolved from the deal since.
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Looks better now! Still missing the T-90MS which would bolster the 11.3-11.7 lineup but otherwise it’s a nice suggestion!

Curiously, what is going on with India’s acquisition of the T-90MS? I haven’t heard anything on them receiving any.

I was under the impression they already had them, but I just checked and maybe they haven’t actually… A lot of stuff seems to say they approved the deal a couple years ago and wanted them produced soon but none seem to have appeared. Maybe the war in Ukraine is slowing things down?

That’s what I’m thinking. I think with the other vehicles, both experimental and regular, it will be fine without the T-90MS.

Only issue is that 10.3 is the second highest BR for an MBT after the Arjun Mk 1A, and to my knowledge there aren’t any other options other than the T-90MS. I know that they’re working on a new MBT but who knows when it’ll be revealed.

That’s fair, I agree. I think over time we’ll see options develop for top rank. They have several projects going on. The new hybrid Atharva is a testament to that being a cost effective way to upgrade T-72’s. Maybe they’ll develop the T-90S and Atharva further by incorporating Kachan armor to them or something. New ammo too. I know there T-90S is going through a modernization right now as well. One of them could lead to an indigenous upgrade of the vehicle that could be radically different/better and sit at top instead of the Tagil since the Tagil is MIA for the foreseeable future.

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There was also a plan to install Trophy APS to T-90S. I wonder what happened to that.

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One vehicle that could be added to that tech tree you made would be the “OFB 105 mm SPG”.
It is a 105mm howitzer in a turret mounted on a license built hull of a BMP-2.

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I saw these while researching and considered adding them, but arent they casemate?

If so it would be difficult to add and play since especially it’ll only carry HE.

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From what ive found, they did begin to recieve a handful back in 09’ but idk whats happening now, likely their “Special Military Operation” having them distracted from exporting:

https://web.archive.org/web/20090904203207/http://en.beta.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20090824/155910756.html

I’ll add it in soon.

How did i miss the SAMARs lol, ill add em

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According to the source I linked, the gun has a fairly limited traverse around 12.5 degrees to either side. Though it can also fire AP shell.

So I think this will be a nice addition as a more traditional casemate TD.

India does not have T-90MS, this is a myth

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There is a couple of Shermans that is missing that could be added as well as the PT-76B at Tier IV

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Another one worth mentioning is the Jonga. Basically a locally-produced jeep designed by Nissan. One variant was equipped with a 106 mm recoiless rifle and saw combat in several wars and border clashes with Pakistan. I think this oune would serve nicely as a low-tier scout TD.


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I saw that too but I believe the T-90M and MS were first revealed in 2013, so India can’t have received T-90MS’ in 2009. I wonder if it’s confusing them with another variant – when did India receive their T-90S’?