MAA1's and AMX-A1A once again

Ive been arguing for “historical accuracy” for years. and they keep saying that is what they are believe in, and then just deny bug reports for made up reasons or just pretend bug reports dont exist.

So no. tbh, I really dont care about it anymore, ebcause its pretty clear the devs dont.

I want buffs for the vehicles that needs buffs and those that dont need buffs should wait.

Sure, the MICA EM can get more buffs once everyone else has gotten buffs and caught up a bit. but right here, right now. In this major update? Like I want to be able to play top tier without just instantly dying the moment a Rafale enters within 30km.

Uh? No?

You have consistantly argued that the Rafale needs buffs to compete, even when it was steamrolling every single match and rendered top tier a 1 aircraft race.

But you have consistantly fixated on the weakest parts. “Oh the Rafale is the weakest jet at top tier because the MICA EM has the shortest range BVR missile, and range is really important, its unfair that the Typhoon gets C5s because they can just keep the Rafale at range and there isnt anything we can do about it, just ignore the 2+ K/D the Rafale has at the moment”

You came into a random thread about the AMX and started bullying me for not wanting the OP missile to become more OP.

Gunna start harrasing @MiGoon_Fox-3 or @ScimitarsCurse for voting no too? Along with everyone else who voted against it?

You talk about it looking “bad” me for me to vote no against a buff that I dont even entirely beleive is a real issue, when you and Vis just came into a random thread, took it massively off-topic and started bullying someone for disagreeing with the need to buff OP weapons

Is this about those french missiles “losing out after the amraam change” post
I also dont fully believe the post. Im extremely skeptical of how certain users such as Macron present how french kit should perform after the rafale fake buffs, notabug’d corrective nerfs and such. Macron also guilty of that with the screenshots of a rafale radar screen that gunjob called out for have getting it’s aspect ratio widened to look like it’s better.

It was a precautionary no, no different to when a Chinese account posts a new image that’s not really been seen on the web before (this is because of the AI incidents from their community, not because they are Chinese)

Would also rather not get involved in a handbag fight with that lot so this is my last comment on it especially on a non relevant thread.

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Just to get the thread back on track,

This is the Brazilian AMX yes?

Seems like it’s solid enough for the BR in air, even if the F-5 spam ruins that BR a lot of the time.

It does seem very high for a plane with only laser guided CAS in GRB when you see the SPAA it faces, but this is because the SPAA it faces are generally far too undertiered.

It’s BR compression basically. Hopefully gaijin pulls their finger out and does some massive decompression of GRB so that these planes can actually do something against the blatantly OP 2s6 and peers

The issue is why its higher than the TT AMX

difference:

  • TT version has 20mm M61, Premium gets 30mm DEFA (natural debates to be had over which is “better”)
  • TT gets CLDP Tpod, Premium gets Litening II. This does give the AMX A-1A an innate advantage in GRB, but doesnt necessarily leave the TT AMX massively behind
  • TT has 2x Aim-9Ls and the Premium has 2x MAA-1s
  • There are also some minor differences to A2G loadout, but at their core, they are the same.

For GRB… the better tpod might be enough to justify the higher BR… maybe…

But for ARB, there is just no justificaiton for it, especially with 4x 9L slingers also at 10.7. You can maybe, just maybe make an argument that 2x MAA-1s are better than 2x 9Ls, but not that they are better than 4x 9Ls

Pretty much
Why give the best missile in the game which already has the only unique seeker among ‘modern’ Fox-3s (cause that’s fair?) and is getting its most notable aspect (turn performance) buffed even more?

I’m also voting no because I don’t trust much of what he (macaroni) says to be true.
Considering how insanely biased he is towards that vehicle I do not trust him

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For Italian 1995 Tornado IDS worse thermals don’t give it lower BR, although iirc when I asked Smin why AMXes and Tornado in the the same situation have different treatment, he answered that it’s also because of better AAM, which matters against other aircraft in GRB as well, so they think Piranha is better enough than AIM-9L to justify higher BR (apart from thermals).

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Which is dumb given what is actually below the A-1A in terms of A2A in GRB like the Hawk 200 RDA

Ngl while the thermals are much better, untill they make the usage of the guided bombs possible on ground modes this is completely useless as well lol.

Id say that at this point, after multiple people said this same thing for ages, this is just an situation where gaijin wont do s about it and if i would say what i really think what this is it would probably leave me banned here…

Really frustrating to see the singular plane from my country be like this in game.
While Im also hoping for some day to get the Brazilian subtree, gaijin also seems to be giving more priority into adding european/asian subtrees where they can copy and pase every single “new” vehicle

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Amx A1A need to be at 10.7 in ARB, and honestly I think in Grb too at 11.0. Its just that weak plane. MAA piranha is a garbage at this time.

The ARB BR definitely needs to go down I agree.
However I don’t really think the GRB at 11.0 would be that beneficial. At 11.0 you still see pantsir the majority of the games (speaking from Super Étendard experience). The BR would need to go to at most 10.7 for it to not feel sad, but I also think that it would be a tad too low, as 9.7 down tiers are going to be a bit rough for the opponents. Sadly, these kinds of subsonic aircrafts with advanced air to ground are kinda stuck until ground is decompressed as a whole

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Agree. But at 11.0 at least its possible useful. At this time at 11.3 its just a garbage.

Well i proposed to 10.7 simply because at 10.3 you have the premium a10a which is a menace at downtiers because of the 9Ls at a br where quite alot of the enemies doesn’t have flares, at 9.7 some planes get flares to be able to counter it.
Also only moving on grb to 11.0 wouldn’t change anything as 11.0 is still in easy range for those same spaa’s, staying at 10.7 would mean that only on uptiers you would suffer against them.

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Well the update doesnt helped… Its even worse now.

yeah lol, now your getting smoked by quite alot of planes using the newly buffed sparrows …

i made this thinking about this plane, however i think it would be a bit offtopic here so yeah.

Also while looking on mectron’s website on the wayback machine, i saw this about the Maa-1 piranha missile, which says it has 50G’s instead of 45G, not really sure it would change much however could help a bit , also while it doesnt describe how it works, it says it has a way to know the difference of an false target which makes me think it should have a better flare resistance than in game aswell

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https://web.archive.org/web/20100808063902fw_/http://www.mectron.com.br/maa_ft.html

I own it as well and sadly almost never take it out because of the overtier.

I especially love its rockets, they’re unique and one of the fastest in the game :/.

They would’ve never developed a similar missile as the 9L decades later the with less range.

yeah they are quite fun to use but your not really being able to use them on most situations from my experience…