I have a question for the American mains here. The M1A1 (and its later variants) have access to the M830A1 HEATFS, which in real life is called MPAT (M830-MP-T). This is a HEATFS shell that can also act as an HE-VT round. My question to you guys is, why don’t y’all use it? Is it that bad that you guys don’t equip it?
I would aways carry a few rounds when I was playing with the Abrams. But they used to pop the turret cause gaijin thought the blast doors couldn’t contain the blast from heat rounds. Don’t know if people know they fixed that issue a while back.
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its actually really good once you know how to use it, i use it to spaa all the time(yes im serious)
But they actually dont?
That is the reason why western mbts usually lack HE ammo, despite HE being the main useful shell type irl.
Because the blast doors cant take it.
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The blowout pannels will fly off directing the pressure up away from the blast doors. Heat is loaded point to the rear of the turret so the detonation will go out the back not into the compartment.
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They use blow out panels and the M1 was actually live fire tested with the entire ammo hold being filled with HEAT and detonated. The only thing that came through was a little whisps of smoke which was negated in further upgrades to the doors.
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Gaijin modeled HEAT to blast TOWARD the doors, which isn’t how they are loaded IRL. This was reported and Gaijin went “it’s a feature of the game, deal with it”.
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Wow… notice how that rupture is OUT THE BACK and not toward the crew? Also, that’s an export Iraqi M1 that survived enough from a 2000 lb bomb IED that the entire crew survived and escaped and ISIS blew it up more once they captured it. Comparing potatoes to fish there bud.
If you’re interested, here’s them testing the OG M1 hull and turret ammo blow out panels
M1 Abrams Ballistic Hull and Turret Section Tests
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No, its DOWN, TO THE BOTTOM of the ammo rack. And the further damage around it shows that the explosion isnt miniscule.
Again, it was captured and blown up even more. There’s literally no evidence that’s from the ammo hold detonating and, again if it was, goes backwards. Literally Gaijin has it going INTO the crew compartment which no matter how you try to spin it, isn’t what happened in the photo.
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even the video you showed shows the bottom get melted. Its a known practice.
Not sure what you’re arguing here as that’s still not the crew compartment.
I say that the blowouts arent designed to explode with an entire rack of HEAT and HEs, tho i dont believe that having several HEATs can somehow make the M1 explode to crew compartment
Gotta actually watch the video and not just go for screenshots as they loaded with 24 APFSDS and 10 HEAT into the turret bussel (5:07) for the clips you took. Also, in the first clip shown, they discuss how the bursts of explosions being the HEAT detonating. Thing about NATO ammunition is that it’s more like a violent fire than an actual explosion as they are built around deflagration v detonation. However, Gaijin doesn’t model the HEATFS facing the right way and when you load HE/HEAT, it treats EVERY round as HE/HEAT, which is just from poor programming.
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Would like to hear how would you redo that problem. As much as i can tell, you just cant make it other way
Model it where ammo is loaded in a certain order starting from one chosen point. So, for example, start in the bottom inside corner and move horizontally across before moving up to the next row. Then, have it where either HEATFS/APFSDS is loaded completely first then the other. When a shot is fired, the set moves over one like it does in game now and have it where it registers what fired. I don’t know Gaijin’s specific coding structure so I can’t give an exact code for that. Other games such as GHPC does it just fine in regards to tracking ammo location and usage.
Well thats the main problem. Tho im sure they can do what you said as they track if the ATGMs been loaded in MBT-70-ish tanks.
It may be a work around by stating it’s a launcher but not sure tbh
You’d be wrong. It doesn’t matter if the ammo cookoff blows the entire turret bustle off (which has happened), that isn’t its purpose.
In Ukraine they are mostly using MP HEAT in infantry support, and those that have been knocked out still show the turret structure intact.
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do you know what destroyed that tank mate?