also where did gaijin get the 633mm value for the m829a3? M829A3 is a lot longer than DM53/DM63
A lot of that lenght is just steel from the anti era tip, and we dont really have exact values for the DU segment, the best we have is the patent which only gives minumun values, if i have to guess they are using a 685mm du core and they add a 5% for the steel tip
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100mm of it is a sacrificial steel tip designed to trigger the ERA and be ripped off without damaging/ destabilizing the actual DU penetrator which is 630mm long.
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It does increase slightly the penetration but by 5-7%, also i dont think that gaijing is using a 630mm long apfsds
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Yeah, I remember how everyone had always expected a ~660mm pen value for M829A3, so just 633mm felt odd to see.
I mean i have seen people claiming 690 as well, that being said it comes under how long they choose the penetrator to be, or which modifier did they used, sadly the fist cant really be challenged as i dont think that they accept pixel measurements anymore
IRL you have to load projectile then load propellant and then load magazine with primer.
I know how the CR2 loaded, i was specifically meaning the 2 Tes as he said the ready racks in it aren’t there…
Also irl the cr2 reloads extremely quickly, even if its a 3 part system.
Well holding projectile ready it’s pretty much close to 5 seconds at top crew maybe could be 4 but devs made exception for CR2 since Leo and Abrams have to wait for blast door to open and close if they could hold blast door open reload could be cut to 2-3 seconds.
it’s a slightly thicker rod isn’t it? increased from 22mm to 25mm diameter, I would assume that means more metal that has to be eroded during the adiabatic shear so it would gain a little extra pen from that
yeah, figuring out how Gaijin is actually modeling things is probably harder than finding info on the rounds themselves.
I’m not positive, but I have heard that Gaijins penetration formula is only accurate for tungsten monobloc APFSDS, so composite and DU all underperform, but like I said, rumour control, take that with a pinch of salt.
Compared to the m829a2 it does, the apfsds calculator already takes into account the diameter, that 5-6% increase is comparing the same round with and without the steel tip, btw that chart is also from the m829A3 patent.
As far as i know it is accurate with older DU alloys as well (90s maybe early 2000s), modern DU alloys just like the case with modern WHA are going to be off, still probably more accurate that some guesstimates that some people throw around
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Any proof of that ?
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99A actually is even more armoured IRL. Also would be good to mention that it has zero side Armour at all whereas with MBTs like the 2A7V or STRVs you can survive Darts straight into your Side same as T90/80BVM and every Hit that pens is guaranteed One Hit whereas with many other you would survive
It is a bit more complex. Also the 99A has a lot more Weakspots at the front than shown in the picture…
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I’d watch it mate but uhm.
Also my point wasn’t about the CR2 reload, was more the claim that gaijins made an exception for the CR2.
It’s been proven that loaders can get it down to almost under 4 seconds, however that is the absolute best of the best crews.
The absolute minimum time needed to even be on a CR2 crew is allegedly 6 seconds.
which leads to the 5 seconds reload for the aced crew.
Makes sense. abrams in game has 5 just for balancing, if it was slinging the rounds it gets every 4 seconds it would be the most dominant tank in game.
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Yeah i don’t know why it isn’t working.
It makes sense at least for top tier Challies since Abrams getting some anti-ERA capabilities.
Well I’d assume there would be lower pressure for around the same force because the contact area is larger, but I doubt that that’s very meaningful when it’s 3mm extra
The peak theoretical reload rate for the Abrams is 2.5 seconds. It’s a pity our game has selective realism.
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Aye I’ll get to it when i can :)
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