M4s and T34 85s feel under tiered POLL

people talk a lot about PZIV-H etc feel under tiered but most american tanks have similar armor at same BR a ANGLED M4A2 75 is dam near inpentrable by most guns at a slightly lower BR and they have a low speed STAB they got buffed a while ago as now the M4A3 76 is very strong at 5.7 as no other 5.7 only 5.7s that where a hard counter where the german TIGER 1E shoot at lower side and it was fine but upping them to 6.0 is now just a slaughter as they fight T26E5 which has very small spots to pen while still having a potent gun in a full down tier it dominates. but back to main point i think major decompression for these areas definitely needs to happen for example the Germans where balanced at 5.7 (minus panther late models) tiger E could be penned by the Sherman 76 and T34-85 because of there potent gun.

playing most tanks just required good reaction time which was definitely aided by the low speed STAB of Sherman or the finicky armor of the T34-85 and its Ballistic cap round which could pen the JUMBO SHERMAN front plate at close range.

my proposal is lowering most BRs of uptiered tanks and raising the BR cap of toptier to make space

for tanks that should be changed in my opinion

IS-2 standard 6.0 with volumetric rework of turret
IS-2 1944 6.0-6.3 same rework for turret volumetric
TIGER-1-E 5.7 or with add on armor that it should have 6.0
Tiger 1-H 5.7 now why would these be same BR ? because there extremely similar only with added weakspot of KUPOLA
M4A3 76 5.7
M4A2 76 5.7 basically same as the other

PZ4-G 3.7
PZ4-J 4.0
PZ4-H 4.0
PZ4-F2 same as its paper basically
M4A2 -75 4.3 literally immortal if played right
M4 better mobility and similar armor to late panzer 4 and STAB

what are your thoughts on these changes please keep conversations civil

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keep it civil as this is a real problem

no attention to low tier in years mad annoying

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M4s and T-34-85s are perfectly fine, if not overtiered. They’re incredibly laughable to go up against, my Tiger H1 turns them to swiss cheese, and playing with my Fireflies just slaughters them.

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both can easily knock out the tiger pretty easily even angled as long as you know where to shoot

I love to see when people open their eyes regarding the T26E5, which is very little, something that make this machine special.

Regarding M4s Sherman, Pz. IVs and T-34s, in my opinion they are all fine, part of the core of the game, no need to change much.

I think this quote works for every single vehicle in-game, just know where to shoot, simple as that. Just because you can knock out a Tiger I in a M4 Sherman doesn’t means it needs to be a higher battle rating.

Unless, M22 Locust deserves to be at top tier all the times since people decided to bring it to higher tier matches, or no? In my opinion Pz. IV is the best of the all, do have decent mobility, gun is incredible, but lacks versatility from the M4 Sherman and gun handling from a T-34.

im more advertizing for old 5.7 IS2 early vs tigers vs shermans vs t34-85s

Depends which ones. M4A3(76)W can easily deal with Tiger H1/Es.

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They were a pain until I played the Chi-To and Chi-Ri family, easily knocks them down frontally.

the M4 Sherman is a very big NO it can’t even pentrate it low tier tank Moving it up might make it worse. sure it may have an decent armor but that not gonna help if your gun is useless. The T-34 are pretty much fine in it BR Moving it up gonna be in the cold war era.

The T34-85s seem like the weakest t34s compared to the br

Probably true. The early T-34 benefit massively from their crazy good all around armor, mobility that outperforms almost any other tank and perfectly adequate firepower.

While the T-34-85 armor is mostly negated by the stronger guns it can see.

To be fair, low tier (1.0-4.0) is one of the more balanced br’s in my opinion.