You’re going to say you’ve been stuck with the same hull protection for every new Leo variant that has been introduced? There are big differences between the 2A4 and later models.
Whereas the from M1IP to include the SEPs are the exact same for us. Despite it being historically inaccurate.
my mistake i’m rather tired when i visit the forum and do some oopsis here and there
well something new learned sorry :D
didn’t wanted to summon you here lol :D
Name A few tanks that are in the game (not ww2 coldwar or smt more like abrams leotards etc) that don’t have those inaccurate “features”
there more then enough Frankenstein tanks ingame :D
No, you just talked about a lot of things that dodged the point that you’ve received improved hull protection on later variants, unlike the Abrams. You put all the words there while trying to claim the situation is the same. It isn’t.
Guys, guys… Can we just agree that most if not all NATO tanks are gimped AF and that we’d like to see them more accurately modeled?
When I saw SEP would not receive its 250% better CE turret side protection, I gave up on it :))
Best, it was a primary source lol.
Stop fighting each other, for one this is the M1A2 thread, not the 2A7 or 2A4 whatever, but also we all agree that they are gatekeeping the capabilities of both nations, now who gets it worse doesn’t matter this ain’t a competition, at the end of the day we all have to face the same T90M and T80BVM unicorn fest.
As far as I know, no.
Might be worth a bug report, it’s clear to see tbey are stacked 4 high and it should offer better KE protection.
It’s pointless because that doesn’t affect the performance of the armor, they just have the equivalent amount of armor value, the angle of attack of the smaller 3D models isn’t considered, they behave like a vertical block of ERA.
ARAT-19 should however offer KE protection, but good luck on proving that to Gaijin.
Can anyone help me confirm if the Abrams fuel tank bulkheads over the driver area are 19mm in real life too? Because according to this they’re 25.4mm (1 inch) thick, in game it’s also missing the frontal part of the fuel tanks.
The fuel tanks should provide 25.4mm + 25.4mm instead of 19mm in game.
M1 Abrams fuel tanks bulkheads over the driver area.
Left: Correct fuel tanks bulkheads.
Right: In game fuel tanks bulkheads.
Actually, you are accusing me of doing what you have done. The original point was that you’ve actually received updated protection, both on turret and hulls. You had to go and qualify it and do all the mental gymnastics. The Abrams has been denied historical protection improvements, in both turret and hull, while the Leos have had upgrades since the 2A4. Not sure why you felt the need to start talking about the 2A4 not being what you want it to be, but okay. You had multiple turret and hull improvements while you actively fought historical upgrades for the Abrams.
I corrected you on that, and you got upset and started talking about why the upgrades you DID get weren’t holding your hand hard enough. The L is entirely yours. :D
I think thats enough, lets be relevant to the topic.
@Tantor57
Nothing would change if Soviets faced the Soviets. Sweden has the most armored tanks in the game.
Stop threatening toddler tantrums, they don’t work and never have.
@Apollo_1641
Some tanks are inaccurate, and some are very accurate.
It’s heavily reliant on available information.
Finding more available information is what’s needed.
That or providing a well put together suggestion for armor on modern MBTs that otherwise lack open information.
I still think it is weird that they want exact values for the hull. The M1A1 HC received DU in the turret right? Compared to the base M1A1?
If we take the KE protection values of both the M1A1 HC and base M1A1, we see that the HC has a ~50% increase in KE protection on the turret cheeks compared to the base M1A1.
Now if we assume that the DU that was put in the hull of the SEPs is similar to that of the HC turret, couldn’t they just apply that 50% extra KE protection to the LFP and be done with it?
We should be asking for more, since they only gave us 370mm protection according to the chart.
nope they need exact stats on it to the micrometer
The hull has 360mm, if they improve the armor 50%, the hull would has 540mm. Insufficient
The M1A1 HC has more effective armor than M1A1 AIM in WT. Fun fact.
