Well, both cases are good. I know for sure about ceramics being far into development.
Here is also SPECIFICALY SEPv2 turret mentioned
Here is also SPECIFICALY SEPv2 turret mentioned
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Right. I didn’t mean to discount improved ceramics with my statement. Just wanted to clarify that DU was indeed added to the hull. The paragraph preceding the one I quoted on page 27 talks about the special armor of the A2 incorporating DU. The same special armor inserts they would need to disassemble older M1 hulls to incorporate while upgrading them to the A2 standard.
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Let’s make America crest again!
It’s ridiculous that we have 2006 SEP and 2007-2023 SEPv2 and yet both have the same hull armor as 1979 M1 and turret armor as 1992 M1A2. M1A1 AIM has hull issues too.
Hopefully, soon the Abrams tanks will actually have some useful protection and be more than slightly better Arietes, which is what they’ve practically become at this point.
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M1A1 with hull weight armor upgrade simulator:
M1A2 with hull weight armor upgrade simulator:
M1A2SEP with hull weight armor upgrade simulator:
M1A2SEPV2 with hull weight armor upgrade simulator:
Pretty clear the M1 Abrams series received hull upgrades since 1980, either in the form of heavier composite or simply composite improvement.
@Kenny110 @_Renzo Maybe add these pics to the bug report? It might help?
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Wow our effors to protest are working :D
They are doing it for 2A7V as well. Might be gajin change of mind to corrupt us with 90M :)
These are awesome. The main problem is that the conversation is still locked so I can’t personally add it.
I think only @Kenny110 can physically add it to this bug report now.
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Can you just open another one with a slightly different title?
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I mean M1E1 clearly had hull weight simulator aswell.
Spoiler
This is allegedly M1E1 in 1984. NOT M1A2 or Sep V1 or so on
https://i.imgur.com/t4mDEfD.jpeg
Now one can’t take for granted things from test/development vehicles actually ended up in production
Considering there are documents talking about improved hull protection and DU being incorporated into the hull as well, its safe to assume that sometimes these tests are relevant to actual upgrades.
It would potentially make wierd situations where the test vehicles with welded on metal are more protected than the end vehicles they simulated. If they were to add something like M1E1 to the game
I think its pointless, but I can do it in 2h
Its not pointless, we’re actually making real progress right now!
Yes. But we have one thread already. Lets wait for Kenny first. Give him 24h to respond
I don’t think any Abrams has DU in the hull. (Outside of the 5 examples sitting at a school.)
Did lots of going over this with other people since M1A2 was introduced, it’s not that I can definitely say there IS NOT HA in the hull, it’s that we can’t prove that there IS HA in the hull. (We can prove there is DU in the turrets because it has radiation warnings and records that we have access to.)
It gets further complicated because not all HA is DU.
The point of the bug reports was to proof it has better hull armor. That can both be in the form of ceramics and DU. Imo we should have enough sources to at least make a good attempt to show Gaijin that there was at least some improvement in terms of hull armor. Only problem is that we have to see if Gaijin actually acts on it.
We can only hope gaijin actually makes the hull better at this point
And hopefully the T-90M gets a slight nerf to the armour otherwise good luck
Take in mind all T series and 2A4 armor is overperforming by a large margin on the current devserver
We can always also try sending a DM to a community manager like Smin after the 24 hours. Maybe he can get the lock off so that we can post the sources in the current report?
At least that was also my plan to do this weekend.
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Wrong. It has been explicitly stated as such in numerous documents. Even here it explains the M1A1 SA and SEP have 3rd gen DU armor for frontal protection improvement. They specifically mention turret protection separately.:
Page 3-5.
Then in the document I previously linked it talked about the M1A2 having depleted uranium armor modules, and that it would require taking apart the hulls to incorporate said modules when making older M1 variants meet the A2 standard.
“Description. Four models of the Abrams tank have been produced since
1979. In chronological order and order of increasing capability, they are the
Ml, the IPM1, the M1A1, and the M1A2. The first two models have a
105mm cannon, and the last two a 120mm cannon with longer range. Other
improvements have been added over the years, including armor made with
depleted uranium (see Table 6). All M1A2 tanks and about half of the
MlAls have this special armor.
This option would include a program to convert the oldest Abrams
tanks—the Mls–to the M1A2 configuration. Such a modification would entail
replacing the entire turret, including the gun; installing new electro-optics;
modifying the hull so that it can accept the active nuclear, biological, and
chemical (NBC) protective system; and replacing the armor packages and the
entire electrical system.”
They talk about modifying the hull in order to replace the armor packages.
…and even if you won’t accept these documents, why bother training mechanics on a small set of DU hulls that apparently don’t exist elsewhere? If they are being trained to repair DU hulls, that must mean there are fielded DU hulls that would need said skills.
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