Well, they already tried to move the goalpost by denying the Army licenses as enough proof even though that was the basis for insisting that only 5 hulls could possibly have DU. They shifted to the GDLS license being the final say, claiming it was a license for GDLS to manufacture. It wasn’t of course.
He’s already denied what these documents actually say on numerous occasions. Granting the hulls the same status as turrets now means, according to him, that they didn’t removed the 5 hull limit. Even though that limit in no longer to be found anywhere on later license forms.
The document talking about replacing turrets, guns, NBC, electrical systems, and armor apparently only meant it was an NBC upgrade, according to his fetal alcohol syndrome brain.
Yea I have seen that guy on a few posts, this new one made me realise there is no point discussing stuff with him. He seems to have some weird anti-Abrams stance or something.
Oh, he’s definitely a troll, but provides a useful example for countering the embarrassing mental gymnastics and arguments that try to discredit or disprove the evidence being provided.
It’s mind boggling to me that 1 source is all that is needed to say that the LFP doesn’t have DU but 5 sources pointing to armor upgrades doesn’t mean anything.
What’s even better is that this is same license, but updated. They went from a strict limit on hulls to granting the same status to turrets and hulls. No limit on either. That change was dated on 24 Aug 2006, from the original 5 hulls mentioned in 22 Feb 2006. They upped the limit. This means those 5 named in Feb 2006 were the test for improved armor implemented in SEP hulls as the program matured. They didn’t get rid of the DU hulls, otherwise they would have only stuck with permission for the turrets. They acquired permission to install DU in hulls at the same rate as they did for turrets. This lines up with SEP having improved protection, DU in the hull like all Common Abrams Upgrade variants. This includes M1A1 SA, AIM v.2, FEP, and SEP V2. SEP V2 wasn’t rolled out until 2007/FY2008, but the license for unlimited DU hulls predates this as of August 2006.
You will see that at the bottom of this document, it is stamped as AUG 24 2006. It carries the same license number as the document that listed only 5 DU hulls allowed, but now has hulls given the same unlimited status as the turrets.: https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0624/ML062410022.pdf
"In accordance with letter dated
February 22, 2006 (with enclosed application)
License number SUB-1536 is renewed in
its entirety to read as follows:
A. Uranium (depleted in U-235) A. Metal encased in stainless steel
A. As needed
Authorized Use:
A. and B. For use (excluding repair or maintenance) and storage of tank turrets and hulls as
Depleted Uranium armor components of Abrams M1 series tanks. "
That 5 hull limit was removed, hulls given same permission as turrets.
Can you all stop replying on the bug report? It adds nothing useful to the report which have more than enough source and it just create confusion and possibly cause delay, just lets wait for technical moderators to do their job.
Yep that’s it those are the armor values they use in game. Its crazy how sepv1 and sepv2 are using some export non-DU armor package that was made before sepv1 and sepv2 even existed.
AFAIK the FMS armor that was sent to Sweden did not provide the same level of protection as HAP-2, only the Improved FMS package offered to Greece and Turkey was just as good. The USA also tested some version of the Improved FMS in Sweden, but it was most likely an early version because the Swedes still complained about the lack of DU armor.
